Another Mosin Nagant Thread

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okay, first off, I haven't had my nagant out in probably 8months or more, I just kind of lost interest. it was such a nice morning out, I figured i'd get er out and see what I can really do with it. I see so many threads week to week about the accuracy, or lack thereof, so I wanted to really see what I could do. I know others can do better, but this is a pretty good baseline of what to expect. let me preface by saying, this is a stock trigger/barrel etc. no polishing of anything. it has a super cheap monte carlo stock on it that has more play in it than my high school prom. I am shooting new production surplus(new being 1980s). I thried three 5 shot groups and they all ended up about like this one note that my front sight post is bent slightly to the left, so if I aim at the bullseye, it goes slightly to the right. but at 50yards or less, it shot minute of tomato all day

here is a true 110 yards by GPS, its the target way up on left. shooting prone with a sweatshirt on my shoulder


granted, if I had a larger bullseye that I could actually see, I probably could of tightened up a bit.

but the point to the thread, is , I wanna see the other Mosin lovers actual 100yard groups with surplus and see if this is just what ti expect with a cheap gun with 20c ammo. That means you marauder and the others defending the rifle. I for one love it, I brought out of steel o2 canisters and blew hoes all through it, not mention double stacked 1/2 plates of steel. we had a good time with it, but after 50 rounds I had enough and went back to the 300BLK

so show me your mid-range mosin groups
 
Ooh a thread mention! I feel special! :D.

I'll have to try again today. I'll get you a group at 50 yards sometime today. Hopefully it'll be good. Those are pretty good grouping for 100 yards. I've never tried much at 100 yards and when I did it was with Yugo heavy ball which shoots awful in my rifle. It likes the lighter stuff. My 100 yard range isn't available today, but I'll get some 50 yarders.

A suggestion, get some 12" Shoot-NC targets or 12" dirty burds. The 8" ones are really only visible for me with open sights at about 70 yards max. I can see 12" targets a lot better at 100.

Anyway, sorry for rambling.

Oh, and bench or prone?
 
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this was prone in the dirt, propped on my ammo bag. yes, I could not see the bullseye, but I had what I had and when I get out there I am an hour from anywhere. next time ill bring my big 36" shot n c's

I should also add that this is a finnish m91 VKT, I would like t sell it, but i'm scared of what the value would be without the original stock. the gun is in amazing condition, just wished the previous idiot didn't change the stock


it's a "D" barrel whatever that means, I do know it's 3" longer than my 91/30 and has a blade front sight and a strange rear sight that looks like its missing the middle(but its not), and its a hex receiver but maybe all the Finns' are
 
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sorry, as the day went on, we put a couple 22 and 9mm holes in it, but I am pretty confident, no SURE of it, with a better target and some bags I could get it just over 2"

I don't know what kind of ammo it is, I have a bunch of random surplus from previous can laying around. I could pull one and weight it though
 
It sure is a nice rifle. I'll try and get some prone shots at 50 yards today. I'll be using 8" bullseye and 1976 manufacture surplus. I'll throw in a bagged down one too.
 
shoot it however gets you the best group, if I had bags, I would have surely used them. i'm trying to get people to understand the a stock mosin can be a MOA rifle, not the 6-8MOA that everyone claims

this appears to be a 147gr, they are good looking bullets too, the base is very smooth and flat, and as you can see, the weight is 147 on the nose. I plan to pull a couple hundred for the blackout because they a so long and pointy, they should feed very nice


btw. I measures the target wrong, the farthest holes were 3.778
 
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and Mo, something just dawned on me when I pulled that bullet. here I sit with a primed case, full of powder w/o a bullet. if you really wantd to try to handload for accuracy, think about just pulling the bullets from steel cases, and dumping out the powder obviously and finding the bullet you want to use and replace it into the already primed case. you could sell the pulled bullet, and most like reuse the powder if you could track down the burn rate, or just use a different powder. you would still need the 54r dies obviously, but could be a fun project. hell, I might try it myself.

you may be ably to just use an x39 die with a 54r shellholder since all your doing is seating and possibly crimping
 
if it's 3 inches longer than a 91/30 barrel then it's likely an original model 1891.. add that finnish capture and should theoretically hold better groups than your garden variety 91/30... I think someone may be hunting you down for allowing it to be tortured and imprisoned by an ATI stock:D

sounds like it was a fun day. I need to get my rifles out to do some shooting but my range is a madhouse with deer season coming up... and a new neighbor is building a house behind my old private range so I'm rangeless for the time being.
 
I have searched far and wide for the Finnish stock, I found one.....for a mere 375$. I sure wish one would pop up, cause I love the gun, bit that cheap stock is nothing short of a tragedy. I'mgoing to sell it regardless, hopefully the next owner can have the means to restore it to the beauty it should be.
 
sad. ramline stocks are much nicer than ATI and generally cost about the same, maybe if you decide to keep it you could get one of those. I also have a boyds thumbhole sporter laying around that I'll never use if you're interested.
 
I was going to suggest a Boyd's stock also. I have mine on both Mosins. One I bought to rescue it from the ATI I bought for it first, and the other because I bought a barreled receiver to put one together for my dad for father's day
 
Anyways, while you'll find that many rifles may be MOA shooters with iron sights, I think you'll find that many shooters themseles are not, and I don't think your Finnish M91 (which is renowned for high accuraacy) is going to be on the same level as you might get with a standard 91/30 that many have.
 
it's a "D" barrel whatever that means, I do know it's 3" longer than my 91/30 and has a blade front sight and a strange rear sight that looks like its missing the middle(but its not), and its a hex receiver but maybe all the Finns' are
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"D" proof denotes the barrel is throated for D-166 ball ammo- and is suitable for all 54R ammo. Some Finn barrels had tight chambers, and smaller bore diameters and could not utilize Russian surplus ammo.

"SA" proof means property of the Finnish Army. Most all Finn rifles have this proof.

Since most Finns were built off older M91 receivers, most are hex- but later WWI production sometimes did use newer, round receivers.

add that finnish capture
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Not a "capture" rifle IMO, it's a 1942 issue VKT.
M39 production stalled out when the Soviets invaded Finland in '39 (Winter War) and the Finns went back to making their known and proven, M91 for a time as it was faster and easier during wartime.
 
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