And You Wonder Who Supports Gun Import Bans

I remember Lee Iacocca bringing cars and light trucks in from Japan and selling them under the Chrysler nameplate . Dodge Colt , Dodge Ram 50 etc . . Then he whined when the Japs set up shop and sold the same vehicles under their own name . Remington is shooting (no pun intended) themselves in the foot . Once their name and PR makes this weapon acceptable the Russians can come in and undercut the market . Can we be sure of the metallurgical integrity of this weapon ? If the "makins" are good then the savings are in labor . Is their QC as good as ours ? Remember one thing . If you buy American for $100 it all stays here . If you buy "slightly cheaper" from offshore it ALL goes away . If I work for Remington and you buy cheaper from elsewhere how can I afford to buy what YOU make ????
 
Paratrooper--while your comments on Remington "shooting themselves in the foot" are pretty much true, Remington is also in a hard spot.

Foreign competition (especially from former Combloc countries, where small arms manufacture is about their ONLY exportable commodity) is chipping away at MANY US arms manufacturers. It's a sad fact that Remington (and Marlin, and Ruger, and etc.) cannot manufacture small arms at the same labor rate that can be done in Russia, or Romania, or Bulgaria, etc.

So.....Remington can do one of three things:
1. invest heavily in new designs and/or tooling to lower labor costs. That means lots of capital equipment or R&D expense.
2. enter into agreements to be the importer for these foreign arms, thereby taking a small slice of the pie from these imports
3. ignore the impending flood of imports, and suffer loss of market share like the auto industry saw in the 1970's

The main reason that this did not happen sooner was because, until the fall of the Iron Curtain, most Combloc small arms were on the prohibited list. Now that the trade barriers are gone, and these Combloc arms makers are tooled up to produce more commercial designs, it's gonna be hard to stop them........
 
Trooper and AZ,
I'm new to this board and it's intresting to see guys such as you who are not only intelligent, but have insight into the workings of US Business.

Jungle Work
BTW-Paratrooper, in a time long ago and a land far away, I spent some time in the 43rd Company and I then attended a boy's school at Harmony Church and then on to Bragg. In Vietnam, I worked Recon in a couple of Airborne Units. All in all, an exciting Safari.
 
Much ado abot nothing. Remington is not what they were. The local Remington plant is a joke. The Baikal line of arms is excellent. They are the best I have owned. EAA used to import Baikals. Remington is slipping and needed a shot of quality. Russian made Baikal firearms is a full dose. The problem I have is that you could buy a EAA/Baikal IZH-43 12 bore SxS for $219.00. Remington will be selling the same model for about $400.00.
 
I support proposed import bans as well as protective tariffs for all key industrial products, especially aerospace products, electronics, energy products and transportation. As well as tariffs on export of metals and other raw materials. Plus incentives for private industry to take over the space program. And a lot more but we won't go into that.

Why? If we allow US industry to go belly up who will make the guns when we have a really big war? Going to buy them from the Chicoms? Make them one at a time like they do in Pakistan? Ask the UN to help us?
 
Guns aren't difficult to manufacture. If Singer made a 1911, just about any industrial concern using CNC machinery could make weapons with a short lead time today.

The danger in losing domestic firearms producers is losing engineering innovation. However, in small arms, there hasn't been much innovation by anybody of late, more like evolutionary design and copycatting, which we could do nationally in a real pinch.
 
What is a reasonalbe wage and benifits for turning out a reasonable product.
Some American Workers feel they are worth more than they really are.

I support reasonable wages and benifits for American Workers.
The problem is that I see many CEOs and everything thing from mid level managers to Owners in American Companies trying to gouge the American Public.

This week the Oil/Gas Companies of the US are reporting History Making RECORD PROFITS for the last quarter. My brother in law is a lower manager in a larger American Company and they are constantly giving BONUSes to the Employees trying to hide EXCESS PROFITS.

I beleive in capitalism, but this is insanity, but then again, the people who are suppose to be protecting the Citizens of the United States from unethical price gouging are the BEST MONEY CAN BUY.

Jungle Work
 
I think Big Green is being run by idiots right now. They will fail eventually through stupid decisions. But then the question is will they cause the company to fail, or will someone oust them first?
 
Jungle Work . As soon as I saw 43rd Co. I knew you were for real . You had to BE there to KNOW that . Welcome Home !! AIRBORNE !!!!!!
 
Welcome, once again, to "free trade" and life on the Global Plantation. I would be quite happy to see import tariffs on all imported goods that compete with American labor. But unfortunately our government leadership along with their foreign and corporate cronies are more concerned with running their plantation than the prosperity of their own citizens and nation.
 
Paratrooper,
When I was in the 101st, it had just gone "Airmobile" (late 1968). I used to ask troops what Company they were in when going thru Jump School. If they answered A, B, C, or D they were gone and didn't get into my recon team. Can't trust liers with information or your life.

Jungle Work
 
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