And yet no one can figure out why I distrust law enforcement..

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The Deputy Sheriff just left here. (10PM CST) Says he was looking for my Brother in Law. He was nice about it. But asked a lot of questions I did not enjoy answering. Where does he work. What shift does he work. How long has he lived at his current address. Sitting here on the computer and the doorbell rings. Deputy Sherrif in full uniform is on the other side of the door. I have enough expierence with LEOs to know that I don't trust them any further then my distance to the gun cabinet. Maybe that sounds extreme (and it probably does) but if you knew the local govt. and had the experiences that I have had. Like I say I don't trust them
 
OK, good for you.

Sounds like your brother in law did something he shouldnt have done, but I dont see how a deputy doing an investigation in a polite manner is akin to the Waffen SS.
 
Probably not good public relations with the locals but I do believe you have the right not to answer his questions. He is just doing his job and anything he can learn from you or any other source is part of it
 
Sorry to hear your frustration at the situation bro... But I know for sure if someone commits a crime against me, I'll be glad to hear that the police are checking the perp's family to find him.

It doesn't sound like he was harassing you, in my opinion. And don't forget that lying to him makes you an accessory.
 
And don't forget that lying to him makes you an accessory.
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Only if it can be proven, and a jury finds him guilty therof.

He can always answer that he is not certain.

Because if he has not seen a lease agreement or sales contract for the residence where his brother in law lives, he is "not certain" how long he has lived there. The Brother in Law may have told him three weeks, but it might be two and a half. So therefore, an answer that he is "not certain" or has no idea which he could swear to, he is NOT an "accessory" to anything.

And if he has not seen the first paycheck, or hire letter detailing the date of his Brother in Law's current employer, he is "not certain" when he started working there. In fact, unless he has actually seen a signed Verification of Employment letter from the employer, he isn't "certain" his brother in law works anywhere.

So by answering he isn't "sure" or isn't "certain" about the issue, then he can simply tell the officer he does not know. He can then ask if he is free to return to his previous activities, and if he is not under arrest, he is free to do so.
 
You are right, Shotgun Minister, I can't figure out why you distrust law enforcement given your current example. You had a deputy conducting an investigation about a person known to you who was thorough, but nice about everything. You do realize, right, that when they do investigations and go to complete strangers who know nothing of the person in question that they aren't very productive in the investigation?

Sure enough, that just must suck. There is nothing I hate more than government officials doing their jobs in a thorough and polite manner. Would it not just be a real pisser if the deputy also works full, productive shifts as well?
 
You are right, Shotgun Minister, I can't figure out why you distrust law enforcement given your current example.
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Maybe he saw the Rodney King video? Or the one with the seventy year old Granny getting slammed to the floor in her own home, and disarmed in New Orleans Louisiana, by CALIFORNIA highway patrol officers?

Things like that make folks a little shaky.
 
GC states - Maybe he saw the Rodney King video? Or the one with the seventy year old Granny getting slammed to the floor in her own home, and disarmed in New Orleans Louisiana, by CALIFORNIA highway patrol officers?

How would the above examples be relevant to what is being discussed by S.M.?

Do you judge every doctor - lawyer- engineer or other professionals by the few bad apples that permeate their ranks.

Deputy was courteous - trying to be thorough - doing what he is paid to do.

I have enough experience with LEOs to know that I don't trust them any further then my distance to the gun cabinet. Maybe that sounds extreme (and it probably does) but if you knew the local govt. and had the experiences that I have had. Like I say I don't trust them

Care to enlighten us?

By the way, the answer to your problem you seem to have with L.E. won't be solved with anything stored in your gun cabinet. Statements such as those have nothing in common with - responsible firearms ownership - they indicate just the opposite.

12-34hom.
 
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How would the above examples be relevant to what is being discussed by S.M.? Do you judge every doctor - lawyer- engineer or other professional by the few bad apples that EVERY
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I don't know where you were going exactly since the sentence was cut off, but I can answer the first portion of your question.

I stated that many people who have seen these type of performances by so called law enforcment officers, tend to be concerned when approached any time by LEO's.

I will point out to you, that I did not do it. It is a reaction from NUMEROUS times of viewing cops tazing and wailing on prone people.

So if it concerns you, you might talk to some officers and let them know that a lot of law abiding folks are scared to death to deal with them due to the actions on numerous occasions, of the "brother officers" and they may want to police themselves.

I have felt this way every since the "throw down" gun used on the boy down in Houston. h
 
Paranoia strikes deep....

You don't know the purpose of the visit (at least you didn't say, and maybe you weren't told either)...And while I'm wary about talking to cops WHEN THERE'S a 3rd person involved, I also wouldn't get all fired up about it. I've not had any really negative dealing with local law enforcement (unlike my dealing with local town government and others(zoning, etc.)).

A few years back (as a teenager), my son "went stupid" on me, and got mixed up in something he shouldn't have. He and I (and one of his buddies) were VERY politely asked to come down to the local Sheriff's Office to talk about it. And so we did. And were treated well, even though it turned out the "kids" had gone WAY above and beyond stupid. However, the cops were more than amiable, and released the kids back TO ME, even though technically they could have been charged with a felony, and tossed in jail. But they understood that mine wasn't REALLY involved, just a tagalong that got caught up in a mess. They gained a HUGE amount of respect from me that day (and, in the end, my son and his friend were never charged, and the whole episode put the "fear of God" into them, he hasn't even gotten a speeding ticket since.), because of the way it was handled.

Now, that doesn't, by any means, imply that I trust ALL cops at ALL times, but they certainly coulda dropped the hammer on him, but they acted reasonably and honestly, and I respect them for that.

If you BIL really screwed-the-pooch, you should not have any bad feelings about it. Being evasive, or lying to the cops is just unwarranted.
 
"Things like that make folks a little shaky."

OTOH, some folks were just born a little shaky. You know, just sort of raised to be tad nervous or something.

John
 
OTOH, some folks were just born a little shaky. You know, just sort of raised to be tad nervous or something.
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Or Johnbt, some folks get taught to be that way after seeing cops participate in unconstitutional guns confiscations and relocations on a wholesale basis, just becuase one single idiot in city government declares that "nobody shall have firearms" and as a result, cops body slam little seventy year old ladies and disarm them in their own homes.

Some of us were born and raised to TOTALLY respect law and order. We just get nervous when heavily armed thugs demonstrate they have none at all.
 
I think maybe it's time people stop generalizing about an entire group because of some media twisted events. I know several cops, I'm on the way to becoming one. I've had one bad situation in 22 years with a police officer and he was a tad rude, that was it.

Shotgun Minister and Gary Conner, if you guys have problems with law enforcement because of something that has happened to YOU, I might be a bit more attentive, but you're just spewing hate about an entire group of individuals when you know dang well they are not all like that.

Doesn't it tick you off when people say all gun owners are gun nuts, rednecks, and they just hope they get to shoot someone someday? What about when people say Army troops and Marines are blood thirsty baby killers? You agree with all that too? Or do you just got a beef with cops for no other reason than what a few morons did to a couple people? :mad:

Walk a mile in their shoes and then you come back and tell me what you think.
 
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This is silly.
The original premise is silly.
Some of the examples defending the original premise are sillier.

Is there something in the drinking water these days?
Rich
 
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