An opportunity in Mexico?

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Jim March

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If you're tracking it, our brethren to the south just kicked out one of the worst governments on the planet, after 71 years of corruption, madness...and tight gun control.

They have a murder rate triple ours, street crime rates are even worse, and the gun laws are Sarah's Brady's wet dream.

The new leadership is going to be re-thinking every aspect of government. There have already been slight signs of re-thinking the gun control issue in their public debate.

I think it'd be worth making a presentation to the new leadership on RKBA issues. Their "gun culture" has been utterly, systematically destroyed, and much of the nation is in poverty. A possible approach would be a volunteer crew of gun safety and tactical instructors, helping pave the way for a shall-issue permit system if the new gov't agrees. So long as they recognize US CCWs, it'd be safer to go in and help out. They'll need literature in Spanish covering the basics of self defense law, ranges, ammo sales, the full spectrum.

One possibility is to have a pro-RKBA US Governor from a shall-issue state make a formal presentation on the benefits, and offer coordinated volunteer help in setting up the infrastructure of legal gun ownership via the NRA and others the moment the laws change.

Why do this? #1: reciprocity carry rights for US citizens in Mexico, #2 as a "worst case scenario testbed" for John Lott's data. And #3 because we can actually ease human suffering which is cool in and of itself, and #4 if we can reduce the "hell-hole" effect down there we might even see less need for the Border Patrol.

Does this strike anyone else as an opportunity?

Jim
 
Nope.I wouldn't go accross the border on a bet.You can say there is a change on goverment but until I see changes I will not believe it.
You go across the border and say what you just said and see how long you will spend in a Mexican prison if you survive the arrest.
Mexico will need at least 20 yrs to get any kind of a new social order going.Meanwhile they will continue coming across with drugs a what ever.
Me thinks you are dreaming.
 
I'm not suggesting any of this until new laws are in place making carry for the volunteers LEGAL, and at least plans for shall-issue for Mexican nationals late in development.

The starting point would be to sell them on the idea. A pro-gun Governor of a shall-issue state would be in the best position to make such a pitch.

Jim
 
Opportunity? Maybe.

Not to be the eternal pessimist that I am, but this guy Fox hasn't taken office yet. He still has to survive until November (I think, just scanned the article). High ranking politicians are historically not particularly safe in Mexico. If he's still with us, there might be some progress made although the roots of corruption go DEEP in Mexico.
 
Jim:

I appreciate your high ideals. I can tell you that the only thing that has changed is the packaging. Remember, there is a virtual caste system in place in Mexico. The same families still control all apsects of life down there.

I say this not as a tourist but as someone who worked in Mexico and carried an FM-3 and was legally qualified to imart technical assitance as needed which is the same as our Green Card.

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"When guns are outlawed;I will be an outlaw."
 
Is there any evidence of a PRO-RKBA sect of the population in Mexico? Is there some way to find out (publicly?) Most importantly, do people want to defend their Liberty with their life (Or would they rather some sort of governmental assistance with that)?



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~USP

"[Even if there would be] few tears shed if and when the Second Amendment is held to guarantee nothing more than the state National Guard, this would simply show that the Founders were right when they feared that some future generation might wish to abandon liberties that they considered essential, and so sought to protect those liberties in a Bill of Rights. We may tolerate the abridgement of property rights and the elimination of a right to bear arms; but we should not pretend that these are not reductions of rights." -- Justice Scalia 1998
 
USP - on another system I have a quote from a story about Mexican citizens asking for guns to defend themselves from crime.

I'll try to find it and post it.
 
While an end to the 71 years of PRI rule in Mexico is to be applauded, Mexico has a long, long way to go. As a general rule you have to turn your watch back 100 years when crossing the border, and no matter what the politicians on either side say they do not want a lot of advice from us on how to run their country--on any issue. The most we can hope for is a more responsive government that will make life better for the average citizen down there. I wish them well.

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Mexico City - Thousands of crime victims and their supportersmarched Saturday in Mexico City to demand stiffer punishments for criminals and corrupt or inefficient police.
"Institute the death penalty or give us the right to carry guns!" read one banner at the Mexico City march. Mexico has no death penalty and prohibits citizens from owning guns other that small caliber rifles used for hunting. Dallas Morning News, Sunday 3/29/98 (Associated Press ©)


Found it.
 
Fat chance.

The new pres, being "nicer and friendlier", can only appeal to the poor by delivering more handouts, i.e. be a BIGGER socialist.

Battler.
 
Global Intelligence Update from STRATFOR:

Mexico: Now, the Hard Part
6 July 2000

Summary

With nearly all the votes counted in Mexico, Vicente Fox has won 43.8 percent of the vote, as well as ensured the defeat of the country’s ruling Institutional Revolutionary Party (PRI). However, Fox is unlikely to realize the public’s broad, contradictory – and nearly messianic – hopes. Fox’s coalition has failed to win a working majority in the Mexican Congress, and the ruling party continues to permeate the country’s bureaucracies. Fox’s own alliance is a contradictory mix of conservatives and greens. As a result, the president elect’s six-year tenure is likely to be constrained by compromise.

Analysis

With 93 percent of voting booths counted by late Monday, Alliance for Change candidate Vicente Fox held 43.8 percent of the vote for the presidency, compared to 36.7 percent won by the ruling Institutional Revolutionary Party’s (PRI) candidate Francisco Labastida. Fox’s victory marks the first upset for the PRI since 1929. According to international observers, turnout was extraordinarily high and the elections were reportedly the fairest in Mexico’s history.

This turnout, however, will do more than pick the next occupant of Los Pinos, the presidential mansion. Also at stake are seats in the Mexican Congress, revitalized in recent years. Fox’s coalition is reportedly winning elections for the Senate and Chamber of Deputies, though by a thinner margin. Preliminary results also show the National Action Party (PAN), one of the parties in the alliance, winning governorships in Guanajuato and Morelos while the Party of the Democratic Revolution (PRD) reportedly retained control of the Mexico City government.

After the euphoria of victory subsides, Fox faces the unenviable task of living up to the messianic expectations placed upon him. He will govern without a working majority in the Congress. Throughout the campaign, he has promised to be all things to all people. To Mexico’s poor, Fox has promised to more evenly distribute the country’s wealth, implement jobs programs and nearly double spending on education. To Mexico’s business elite, the former Coca Cola executive promised to seek foreign investment and to remain committed to market oriented economic policies.

Fox’s greatest challenge will lie in his vow to stamp out the corruption that is endemic in Mexico. The PRI lost the presidency, and the majority in the Mexican Congress, but it is far from toppled. It is pervasive at all levels of national, state and local government; even presidents in recent years have had trouble getting bureaucracies and state governments to toe the line. Fox’s next campaign – the one that will seek to root out corruption and spark economic reform – will crash headlong into this entrenched PRI rank and file.

In addition, the Alliance for Change fell short of winning a working majority in the Chamber of Deputies, which under Mexico’s electoral rules requires more than 42 percent. As such, the new president will be forced to consider compromise from the start; he will find his time absorbed in the task of coalition building, appealing either to the PRI or to the leftist PRD-led Alliance for Mexico. Preliminary results show the leftist alliance winning 19.1 percent of the vote in the Chamber of Deputies and 19.3 percent in the Senate.

Fox also faces potential problems from within his own coalition, an unlikely marriage of his own conservative PAN and the Ecological Green Party (PVEM). His pro business agenda will be under close scrutiny from the PVEM. Fox has also vowed to form a broad-based administration, with representatives from all parties.

He may have no choice. Without decisive control of Congress, and facing entrenched opposition at all levels of the Mexican bureaucracy, Fox has little choice but to compromise. His supporters, expecting dramatic change in reward for rejecting the status quo, are in for a disappointment.
 
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