An Englishman Shoots In The US

Mike H

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For those of you who frequent the General forum, you may already know that I intended to post my roundup of pistols fired during myself and my wifes recent vacation to Pennsylvania. I have waited a long time to fire all these handguns I had read so much about but never got to handle, so if you'll indulge me a little longer, here goes.

S&W Model 22A 4" Bbl .22LR

The gun we carried around with us whilst staying out in the Pa backwoods for last ditch protection. I loved it, reliable once broken in, accurate, easy and very cheap to shoot and capable of causing surprising damage. Paid just $180 for it at Bravermans in Pittsburgh, best value of the whole trip, sold it prior to our return to J&L Sporting goods of Shippenville, where it no doubt still resides.

Sig P232 in .380 ACP

Lovely carry gun, didn't like the absence of a slide release, fit my wifes small hands like a dream, accurate. Almost bought one for $409.99.

Sig P239 in 9mm

The best handgun I have ever fired. The one we tried had the Hogue aftermarket finger groove grips. Faultless and very well suited to 9mm.

H&K USPc .357 Sig

Nice controls, finger tended to snag on weird double contour trigger guard. .357 Sig was massively unpleasant to shoot, blast, recoil and flash were excessive and although I eventually got some good groups, 50 rounds proved to be 40 rounds too many.

Sig P232 .32 ACP

Not surprisingly a puppy to shoot, but turned out to be a jammamatic, almost certainly caused by a bad mag. Way too big for .32 ACP.

Sig P245 .45 ACP

Surprisingly little difference in recoil to all the lesser calibers, didn't like the low number of rounds (6+1) and found it impossible to get the 6th round into the mag. Jammed 3 times in 50 rounds but was very accurate. Frame too large for grip, gun felt out of balance.

Walther P99 9mm

Absolute POS. Looked and felt terrible in the hand, proved to be the first 9mm I have ever fired that was snappy and uncomfortable to shoot, staged single action trigger a bad gimmick and largely unnecessary, incredibly short reset distance on trigger in single action liable to cause multiple AD's.

Taurus Raging Bull .454 Casull

I was given this gun to shoot as a "this'll sort YOU out" tactic by my range instructor. Fired 3 rounds in single action and found the gun surpringly pleasant to shoot, but not THAT pleasant.

Bereta Cougar .40 S&W

a real eye opener after shooting the .357 sig cartridge out of the H&K compact. I expected similar shooting reactions, but the experience was entirely different. I fired 2 Cougars at 2 different ranges just to make sure and both were identical. The gun was softer to shoot than some 9mm's I have tried, and seemd to have a recoil impulse that started at the rear of the slide and not at the muzzle, he barrel seemed to rise in recoil in line with my forearm and did not angle up independantly as with most guns. It seemed to almost "bounce" up with no snap or unpleasant reactions whatsoever. It was marred by some very wild flyers that I have a hard time believing were my fault because they occurred in the middle of strings that were maybe 3 inches across, only to get a flyer that was almost off the target, did not experience this with any other gun. The Cougar's single action trigger also had to be moved a long way to the rear before all the free play was taken up, I dare say you could get used to that, but after a Sig trigger I was spoiled.

There was one overiding comment on almost every auto I/we fired during our 2 weeks. The last round proved to be impossible or near impossible to get into the magazine on every gun. Is this such a common fault, and bearing in mind that you are stuck with restricted 10 round magazines, why is this incredibly tight tolerance in the magazine sizing so necessary ?

Regards,

Mike H
 
I think that the 10 rounders are tight so that the manufacturers can certify that they really can't get more than 10 in them. I suppose they are afraid that if the last round goes in easy, someone will be able to crunch in an 11th round, and then the you know what will hit the fan.
 
Sir,
I had the same problem on my last pistol. An E.A.A. Witness .45. The magazine was really stiff and at first, I could only get 6 rounds in it. After taking it to the range and shooting it for awhile, I was able to put first 7, then 8, then 9 round in the magazine. I gave up at that point. Funny, after carrying the gun for about a week, tried again and magically, the 10th round finally went in. WOW, that was one tight spring!!!

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"Charlton Heston is my President"

Danny45
NRA, NAHC, Buckmasters
 
Danny, I had a similar problem with my Witness 45 compact when new. This one only has a 8 rounder, could only get 6 in without really fighting at first. Later 7, now all 8 with no problem, over 1-2 weeks.

Bri
 
Thanks for the reports. Also, some mags have been reassembled incorrectly and some ammo has slightly larger diameter, in my experience.

Regards,

Ledbetter
 
Amprecon,

I had the opportunity to shoot the 1911 and passed it up to spend time with the newer guns, probably a mistake. In my defence though I didn't try Glocks either, the appeal just wasn't there at the time. Suffice to say that for those of you who don't like the English, you can take comfort from the fact that I sit here back in the world of the gun haters whining pretty severely about the list of guns I didn't get to try - 1911, Beretta 96, Tomcat, Elite, 9000, Glock, S&W99, Sig P226, P228, P229, P239 in .40 Smith, H&K USPc in 9mm, Lord I could go on for ever, I really could. I sit here by a pile of carefully labelled range targets wishing I was back in the US doing my kid in the candy store routine. I miss it so badly I can begin to understand the meaning of dependancy.

Regards,

Mike H
 
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