An addition to Jim March's revolver checklist

rock_jock

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I recently put Jim March's excellent post on buying a used revolver into practice when I purchased a used 1970's vintage Colt Frontier Buntline in .22lr. As I will relate, there is a not-so-obvious item that I would humbly include with his list.

This was a single action and the condition was very nice. I methodically went through the procedure of checking the cylinder/forcing cone gap, the alignment of each chamber, timing, cylinder play, trigger crispness and pull, and bore. Everything checked out great, so I paid my $300 (probably a little high, but it was a nice gun) and headed immediately to the range. That's when the problem started. I benchrested the gun, and at 25 yds, was seeing my groups sitting at about 8" to the right. I adjusted my rear sight to the left a lot and it still was way off to the right. Went through this interation a couple more times and then realized I had reached the limit on rear sight travel and was still getting groups 2" to the right. At this point I knew something was wrong, but could not for the life of me figure out what. I kept looking down the sights and everything seemed fine. I then decided to turn the gun around and look down the barrel (yes, I checked twice to make sure it was unloaded!). That's when I saw it - the front sight was canted about 5 degrees to the left. The barrel was literally twisted. Overtorqued is probably the right term. It was not something that was obvious at all when I went through my checklist and handled te gun for a good 15-20 minutes. Furthermore, I don't think many folks would have caught it either since it was so subtle when viewing from the rear, but glaring when looking at it from the muzzle. Anyway, I talked to the guy I bought it from and he was quite understanding. He had not fired it in 8 years, and even then had only fired it once or twice. He has agreed to have the gun repaired, or if too expensive, to buy it back for my purchase price. A gentleman indeed! Anyway, I wanted to add this in as another item to check for when buying used. The gunsmith I brought it to said the gun probably came from the factory like that (very disappointing - I expected better from Colt) and that the repair could easily require cutting the shoulder and replacing the forcing cone, and might run upwards of $150-200, which is over half the cost of the gun. Buyer beware!
 
Good point.
I too have run into barrels that were not properly aligned. Not often but just once is more than enough.

Thanks for puttin that up.

Nother thing in a similar vein. I have seen barrels that were grossly overtorqued in order to align the sights. Detectable by looking down the bore for a noticible ring in the bore even with the barrel/frame interface. Have to get the light angles just right to see it.

Sam
 
I have seen barrels that were grossly overtorqued in order to align the sights. Detectable by looking down the bore for a noticible ring in the bore even with the barrel/frame interface. Have to get the light angles just right to see it.
Hi Sam,

Was it you who mentioned a similar upset (detectable by looking into the bore at the barrel-frame interface) in many, (or most?) S&W revolvers produced after the elimination of the barrel pin?

When I first noticed this, I thought I was seeing things.
Your post made it all make sense.

If I ever buy another S&W, it will have a pinned barrel!
 
I don't know bout "most" but many would apply. Generally on stainless models. Don't know if it is easier to see in a stainless barrel or because of the lower yield strength causing them to stretch noticably with less force.

Worstest I have seed was on a kit FAL. The barrel required well over 300 ft lbs to unscrew. You could park a small car in the bulge where the barrel butted against the shim and receiver, and the hard shim was crushed. Somebody insisted on aligning the sight with the wrong shim in place.

When the threads are screwed in beyond tight, the threaded portion is trying to seperate from the rest of the barrel at the shoulder......hence thinning the barrel and making the bore larger at the stretch point.

Sam
 
I can think of another cure entirely - several companies make fiber optic front sights that can be tapped just epoxied right onto the barrel, like so:

founiramp.jpg


That part in the fiber color of your choice (red, green) is a grand total of $16, and is sold separate from the rear sights and in a variety of heights. Measure your stock sight height (once you've got elevation dialed in with a file), score one of these, ditch the stock sight completely, and bingo :).

Might not look factory, but it'll shoot real good!

See also: http://www.outdoor-catalog.com/knife/fiber_optic_sights.htm

Another source for the same sort of thing:

http://www.lpasights.com/catalog-fiber.html

Or the MC90B on this page is a screw-adjustable-for-elevation front sight, 14mm to 18mm range:

http://www.lpasights.com/catalog5.html

The MC90F is the same sight, same range of adjustments, but fiber optic :cool:. If your sight is in that range (14 to 18mm), then that is THEE hot ticket. Probably more than the Marbles, but not too much more.

Betcha JB-Weld will hold one of these on just fine...'specially a .22. Just make sure and wipe the excess immediately, then once dry any glue still showing can be hit with a cold blue pen or black permanent ink marker.
 
I had the same problem with a Ruger Vacero. I sent the gun back to Ruger and they fixed the problem quickly. I got the gun back with the front sight aligned properly. Re twisted the barrel I guess.
 
$300 (probably a little high, but it was a nice gun
Wherever you live, I want to move there! Buntline New Frontiers are upwards of $500.00 around NE Ohio for really nice ones.

Jim,
That ACCCKKKK! Thummmpity sound you heard is a few hundred S/A hardcores falling over at the thought of those sights on a Colt S/A :D
 
Imagining the fiber-optic sights on my glossy stainless Vaquero required me to beat forehead against desk many times to remove that vision
 
JB Weld

That's just what I was thinking, Jim.:cool: I've noticed that there is some shrinkage with it when drying. IOW, if you wipe it clean and flush with the joint, it will appear to have receeded some when dry.
 
Hmmm..........could put one of those gloworm sights on the side of the muzzle on pristine Model 27, glue notch rear on the recoil plate (same side) and have a Home Boy revolver setup.

Sam
 
Steve,

I looked into sending it back to Colt, but their warranty is non-transferable, and who knows how many owners that gun has been through since the mid 70's.

As far as the fiber optic sights, that is an excellent idea, but I think I will pass on placing them on a SA. If the repair is prohibitively expensive, the previous owner will probably just buy it back. Good adice, though.
 
Geez, guys, it's a $300 gun :D. Colt SA .22s aren't worth all that much, and man, they WOULD work really well :).

I'm definately sick enough to put the variable-height-adjust type on a Vaquero! Hey, you could dial it in for different horsepower levels, from "Cowboy Grade" to "bearstopper" :cool:.
 
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