Ammunition

bmark0610

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Hi everyone-

I recently received my LTC and decided it was time to get a firearm. I went out today on lunch and picked up a S&W Shield 9mm. The gun fits great in my hands (small hand syndrome:()

I have never bought ammunition before and I was wondering what the difference was between grains and what would work best for the range, protection, and also what would work best with my setup.

Anything I should watch out for when buying ammo?

I would most likely be buying the ammo at Cabela's.

Any links or suggestions would be greatly appreciated!:cool:

Thank you
 
I'm assuming your question about "grain" is in regard to the weight of the actual bullet. It's usually expressed in grains (gr). There's really no set answer for ammunition preference. Read some of these google hits and of course search forums like this one. https://www.google.com/search?site=...1c.1.64.hp..0.13.1276...0i131j0i3.5pBK3uZKSrU

Especially use forums being specific to your new pistol as to ammunition preferences. The link will provide you with a basic understanding so that you can comprehend what others are talking about. You can also google your pistol and ammunition preference and see what pops up.
 
I've run several hundred rounds (800 rds. total to date) of 115 grain, 124 grain, and 147 grain through my Shield, all of which cycled without issues of any kind.

I use Hornady Critical Defense 115 gr. bullets for carry purposes, and yes, I've test fired 100 rounds of it through my Shield at this point. All of it cycled perfectly. I chose 115 grains, thinking that faster bullets have a better track record of actually expanding, vs. heavier/slower bullets.

YMMV.

As for range ammo, I'd think pretty much anything would work. I haven't tried steel cased, or aluminum cased ammo, but all the brass cased I've run through it regardless of bullet shape (round nose, flat point, target hollow point, ballistic tip, defensive hollowpoint) has run without issue.
 
Overall, I prefer a 124 gr. standard load 9mm. For defense purposes, a soft nose. I'm of the opinion one can go nuts trying/evaluating all the ammo available. I have less than a 1,000 rounds of 147 gr. match ammo which doesn't seem to be any better than 115 gr. RN. I've used approx. 100 rounds of the match.
 
Just on personal preference I have only used brass for practice ammo. No problems with any brand. For carry I use Gold Dot 124gr and Hornady Critical Duty 135gr. Never a hiccup with either. Stocking up on the Sig hollow points to give it a full range trial. At $14.99 a box, I really hope it works as well as the others.
FWIW work your pistol over pretty hard before relying on it. I have discovered a couple of things which will often cause a cycle problem.
 
Grains is a measure of weight common for use in ammunition for bullet weight and propellant/powder.

The grains listed on a box of ammo refer to the weight of the bullet used. The general consensus is that heavier is better for defensive use. And unless you live in an area that restricts the use of hollow point ammo... you want a quality hollow point for defensive uses. I will go over hollow point ammo in a bit.

For target use, any FMJ type ammo from a quality manufacturer should be fine. 115gr is most common for target and practice use in 9mm. Depending on your location, you can pick up practice ammo in 9mm for $10-15, with larger stores offering the better prices.

The 9mm your shield uses goes by a few names.

9mm parabellum (para)
9mm Luger
9x19
9mm NATO

In the US, 9mm Luger and parabellum are used most on the ammo box.

Not to be confused with 9x17, 9x18, 9mm Kurtz, and other designations. These are different calibers entirely, and using them can result in simple malfunctions to violent deconstruction of the pistol. I don't think I need to mention that such an occurrence is dangerous, but I will... it's bad, don't do it.

Ammo labeled +P designates ammo loaded to higher pressures... read "higher power". This is a recognized industry standard, and most but not all modern pistols can handle using this ammo on a limited basis.

The downside to +P is that felt recoil and blast is increased. This is especially important in pistols like the shield, as the recoil in the shield is a little brisk. It is a simple matter of physics, that for a given caliber, the smaller and lighter the pistol, the more felt recoil there will be. Small pistols may fit the hands of smaller statured people better, but often they would be better served by a slightly bigger pistol, just because of the recoil reduction it affords.

That being said, the shield is an excellent pistol, especially for concealed carry. I like my shield a great deal.

Ammo labeled +P+ is loaded even hotter than +P. It is not an industry recognized standard, and it is up to the ammo maker to do it safely. No pistol manufacturers recommend the use of +P+ ammo in their pistols.

The upshot of modern bullet technology has made the need for +P 9mm ammo fairly obsolete. With modern defensive ammo performance between standard and +P being fairly equal if not a bit better in standard loads, when using modern ballistic theory developed by the FBI.

As far as defensive ammo choices, any of the modern hollow point designs from the respected manufacturers will work. For 9mm you generally want 124gr and heavier, though there are some exceptions, it is best to be very familiar with ammo performance standards before venturing off the beaten path.

Hollow point ammo is preferred as it tends to be more effective at stopping threats, and it's design limits penetration and pass through, which helps reduce collateral damages. Though judicious marksmanship is still needed.

Federal HST is pretty much the go to loading, as it is one of the best and most consistent performing hollow point available right now. The 124gr standard load is my go to, others like the 147gr load.

There are other good options too, here are a few.

Hornady critical defense
Speer gold dot
Winchester PDX1

And there are others available that people may recommend, some from smaller boutique manufacturers.

Best to avoid gimmick loads and fragmenting loads, as they usually do not perform up to the current standards and theory on effective performance. The G2 R.I.P. for example... it looks mean and nasty, but is seen as a joke by most experienced firearms owners/users.

Whatever ammo you choose to use for defensive uses, you need to test it in your pistol. Sometimes an individual pistol may not like a certain load or type of bullet. This causes the gun to occasionally malfunction. It may happen every few rounds fired, or only every 50-100... so testing at least one entire box is needed. Testing several boxes is better, but it can be cost prohibitive for some people.

Hope that info helps.

Oh, and Cabela's house brand Herters, the 9mm FMJ stuff loaded in standard brass cases, is made by S&B, a Czech company, and it is quality stuff. They sell it cheap too.
 
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Maybe a need to clarify.

"Grain" is simply a unit of weight, used to deal with small amounts. (A common aspirin tablet contains 5 grains of the medication). There are 7,000 grains to a normal pound. In firearms terminology, "grain" is conventionally used to measure either the weight of a bullet (the meaning on the outside of an ammunition box) or the weight of the powder charge in the cartridge, used mainly in reloading. Note that "bullet" correctly means the projectile, the part that exits the barrel; the bullet, cartridge case, primer and powder charge make up what is called the "cartridge."

Jim
 
Excellent choice that you've made.

I would pay particular attention to some of these YouTube links. They will tell you a lot. The first two are why the FBI went back to the 9mm.

The next two are discussions and demonstrations of ammo out of a three inch barrel such as yours. Watch them and then continue to watch other tests that this individual has made in other supplied links. There's a lot of really good and useful data here.

FBI and 9mm, part 1 -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy71umadb6k

FBI and 9mm, part 2 -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNfuF3JYWM8

9mm short barrel ammo quest -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lGqdMdbir0

further ammo quest -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3VfWkWMzOI

Enjoy!
Ed
 
eventually: accuracy testing

I wrote a whole long speech about accuracy testing in practice ammo may only yield slight differences. But it was too long winded. Shorter version:

Most big name new factory ammo - Winchester White Box, Remington UMC, Wolf, Sellier & Bellot will have pretty good accuracy. Self defense rounds have a little better consistency and price tag follows.

Strangely, some pistols will not like 1 ammo type or another due to barrel length and the type of powder inside, or bullet shape/size/weight.

Don't get hung up too much about practice ammo brand/weight. However if there is a *striking* repeatable difference then I raise an eyebrow and test more. Until then, to me a difference of 2 inches group size at 7 yards means I was or wasn't focusing well.

When we are starting pistol shooting, most times training more and knowing what to practice will improve our shooting rather than the ammo.

147 grain in 9mm is often used in rounds designed to be subsonic, desirable for silencers.

Congrats on your first pistol! I have had good experiences with S&W and while I would love to have a Shield too, my M&P has been working just fine (oh darn?).
 
I have a Shield and love it. I bet i carry this the most. I have shot 1000's of reloads through mine with no problems. my carry ammo is Hornady Critical Defense 115 gr. This ammo gives this compact a good bark, I feel its plenty for me.
 
Ammo selection is mainly a peronal preference due to the quantity of high quality pd rounds available currently. Grab a few different boxes and start shooting, about the only way your going to know what you and the gun prefer. :)
 
If you're buying at Cabelas, you have a great source of good information on all things handgun oriented. Our local one here in Louisville, KY has great people working behind the gun counter; knowledgeable, polite, and will steer you straight.

My own thoughts are this. For range use and general target shooting, I'd get Federal or Winchester 115 gr FMJ ammunition. It's generall within a buck or two of the foreign stuff and I've never had a problem with it. I use groups shot with it to evaluate my handloads in fact. The brass is good for reloading too, if you get that far into the game.

I don't shoot any steel cased 9mm through my guns, feeling that it puts undue stress on the extractor and such. Too, I avoid S&B ammunition of any caliber due to it's malfunction rate in my guns and brass that's difficult to reload. Aluminum cased ammuntion has worked well for me and may be less expensive for you. I don't use it primarily because I reload all my brass.

For carry use, I like Federal as well, especially their Critical Duty rounds in 115 gr or 125 gr weights. Remington's Golden Saber is good too, and shows the most expansion of any 9mm round I've tested.

HTH's Rod
 
Most of your inexpensive practice and plinking ammo is going to have a 115 grain bullet. Nothing wrong with staying cheap for practice. For your defensive load you will want one of the major brands of hollow points. Different folks have different preferences with different rationales for deciding on bullet weight for those, but the 124 grain selections are probably the most popular, and I carry Speer Gold Dots. The thought is that bumping the weight up will help penetration some. It is wise to run at least a couple of mags of your carry ammo through the gun to be sure there aren't any feeding issues.

Welcome aboard. Lots of good folks here, full of knowledge and more than willing to share and teach.
 
f you're buying at Cabelas, you have a great source of good information on all things handgun oriented.

That isn't always the case, as I have seen more than a few people behind gun counters saying things that were complete nonsense, but sound reasonable to a lay person.
 
I'm weighing in on this subject again for a specific handgun and ammo. I have a Kimber SOLO 9mm. Very small, very accurate and quite expensive, considering there are other pistols out there doing the same job at a lesser price. The carry load I've used is Hornady 147 gr XTP. Ran about 100 rounds thru it for practice. Then moved to Remington Golden Saber High Performance Jacket (HPJ) 147 gr for practice. Slightly cheaper.

Kimber recommends specific ammo for the gun. Others have said after 300+ rounds the SOLO will handle 115 gr RN. I carried the SOLO for about two years, running close to 500 rounds thru it. At that point, it would shoot any 9mm ammo I put in it.

Back to my original posting, I could not tell any difference in accuracy between the various ammo's. I'm sure there are specific differences in performance parameters. I can sense sound and recoil differences.

marine6680 is one of my "Experts"; he knows his business. I recommend one pay attention to what he says. I always pay attention to his comments.

I don't carry the SOLO these days. My hands (and other body parts) are getting weaker as I age. The SOLO is a blow back pistol and has a really strong recoil system. I found the SOLO to be highly accurate (2 inch group at 10 yards, one handed, with most of five rounds in the 1 inch circle); but, sensitive to re-loading. The slide needed to be locked back; a new mag inserted and let the slide loose. I just can't do that reliably, should I accidently let the slide move forward. So, now, I carry a HK p7.:)
 
MY 9s prefer 124 to 115 by a smidge for accuracy. TargetSportsUSA.com has better prices than Cabela's unless you have some points and use their Visa card.
 
I do belive that before choosing any ammo, in the case I did not missunderstood your question, this will be your first handgun.
And it is possible that you have not so much firing experience.

If this is the case, then it might be possible that which ammo you buy is not so relevant.

What might be relevant is to learn or improve your shooting skills. Grip, position, and so on.

I do not feel I am wrong if I tell you you might not be able to really feel the difference between the one or the other round till you have shot about 1000 rounds. (I needed more than that).

All videos and articles about ammo are good. There are some that are really good videos and there are extreme good articles.

But I suggest you to buy ammo that will be clean and will cicle without jams, and its cheap. I am not in the US so I might not know the market to tell you which ammo fills this standards.

With this ammo go and enjoy yourself aquiering your shooting skills. Shoot a lot and pay attention in the range at what experienced shooters tells you.

Then you can start choosing the ammo you prefer for each situation.

Shooting is great! You made a good desition on purchasing a handgun.
 
iagbarrb made some good points.

Learning the shooting fundamentals is important to becoming proficient. Most new shooters can not tell the difference between different ammo types within a caliber, though they usually can tell the difference between standard and +P ammo.


As far as rt11002003's comments...

That is both awesome and humbling statement, so thank you. I try to be as knowledgeable as I can, though I am human and can make mistakes in fact and logic. I still learn bit by bit, and occasionally dissenting opinions on this site have swayed me to their arguments.
 
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