Ammunition Accountability - the new anti-self defense front

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Pat H

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I found the Ammunition Accountability web site by some of the new legislation referenced in this thread and took a look. The states that have had some pernicious lawmaker introduce this new assault on our right to self defense are listed on the site.

I'd recommend those that haven't heard about this contact their local Self Defense Rights organization to make sure they're on to it. Then make sure that appropriate, lawful action is taken.
 
dispose of all ammo by 2011

Sure that plan will work as well as a collecting water with a sieve. What a bunch of nonsense such legislation would result in. Perhaps I missed something but did they forget all the reloaders in the country?


Anyone care to guess the overall number of rounds of ammo there are lying around the entire country? I say no less than several trillion rounds.
 
Just read the Arizona proposal, scary to say the least. It appears to be an attempt to make it very difficult to manufacture, distribute & sale ammunition. It's certainly a way to render a gun into a door stop.

May be being pushed by the people who developed the process of marking.
 
This multi-state legislative proposals usually do have their supporters in the affected industry, or one that would like to be affected as in enriched by a state mandate.

This is why a reduction in what a business may lobby for, would we approve of a business that lobbied for slavery, child molestation, or child pornography?

We must make someone that lobbies for any infringement upon a right an outcast.

The protection of our self defense rights depend on our ability to do that.
 
Gee, I wonder when I'll have to start compiling fingerprints or taking wax impressions of the blades I sell or service.

Will I also have to take an identification impression of my front bumper in case I run down some one?

Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my entire gun collection.
 
I don't think this will pass. It's simply too expensive a system for something so easily defeated. You know criminals will either modify the ammo, steal the ammo, or simply buy some on the black market that doesn't have a serial number. The money would be much better spent elsewhere in the police force.

I think it's disgusting that a company would trample on our rights just to turn a profit. Here is a quote from their website:
Can the ACS technology be circumvented?

Not easily. It would require considerable skill and knowledge for a criminal to circumvent the ACS technology. A person with the right knowledge, skill and equipment could cast and load their own ammunition. Similarly, a person could disassemble a coded bullet, file off the ACS codes and reassemble the component parts. However, criminals are not known for their advance planning skills.
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First of all, assuming that criminals are stupid is a huge mistake. Secondly, the measures they listed are easy. Third, they completely ignore the option of stealing ammo or buying non-serialized ammo on the black market.
 
This one is widely posted, backdoor registration, go after the ammunition. Interesting twists as it states that existing ammunition is to be turned in is part of most if not all Bills. I believe 7 so far. http://jerrythegeek.arpc-ipsc.org/blogspot/2008_Encoded_Ammunition.xls has a nice spreadsheet on it.

Another twist is that the people who make the equipmenthttp://www.ammocoding.com/ have the lobby efforts, understandable as they are to get a fee per bullet.

Widely posted but needs to be passed to everyone you know. Especially you need to be sure of the position of your legislators.
 
I noticed their website has a convenient link to the politicians who support the bills. It should be easy to track down whoever opposes them in the next election and make sure that their opposition gets sufficient funding for a good chance at election. :D
 
Contacted my local Representative, she mailed back to me this response,
Thank you for your comments. I agree. I also know many who compete and,for that reason, need to have a large surplus of ammunition. This would also have a negative effect on those who reload as well as those who are collectors. I will oppose this bill and any like it that appear in the future. It is a privilege an an honor to represent you.

Yours truly,
Barbara McGuire

Representative Barbara McGuire
District 23

Arizona House of Representatives
1700 W. Washington, Suite H
Phoenix, AZ 85007-2844

1-800-352-8404 ext. 3012
602-926-3012 office
602-417-3123 fax
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That's a Arizona DEMOCRAT. I don't think this one is going anywhere now..not here. We will work to fire the indivudals responable, like my former Rep, Manny Alverez, one of the co-sponsors.
 
That's a Arizona DEMOCRAT. I don't think this one is going anywhere now..not here. We will work to fire the indivudals responable, like my former Rep, Manny Alverez, one of the co-sponsors.
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While it's true that, in general, Arizona is pro-self defense rights; y'all did re-elect John McCain after his anti-gun legislation was proposed.

Please don't do that again.
 
This whole push is beyond absurd. You have to love a web site run by people who are proponents of a system. The system's premise straining on current technology and fatally flawed at the most untechnological levels. Despite their near sci-fi assertions of reality, the website itself looks like an 8th grader did it for them. But let's not judge a book by its cover. What substantial arguments do they present that might mitigate their aesthetic crimes?

Victims

Each year there are many homicides from senseless gun violence in America and perhaps more astounding is the fact that 30% of those crimes go unsolved. Many of these cases could be solved if ammunition coding technology were implemented.

If you or someone you know is a victim of gun crime, we want to hear your story. Please contact us at ACT(at)ammunitionaccountability.com.
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Now here is some highly convincing, scientifically grounded statistical justification for this wildly erroneous power grab. Further, I really appreciate their ability to cite reputable sources for data and calculations. Or any sources at all. You know, whatever works. But this will solve crime! Naturally, people will stop stealing ammunition and obey these laws, just like they obey the current laws. Foreign manufacturers will all willingly comply, and there will be no more reloaders or small-manufacturers. Bullets will henceforth be recovered in a single, undeformed mass, and frangibles will cease to exist. Etcetera whatnot and soforth. It will solve crime.

The following community leaders have already expressed support for ammunition coding technology:

Mayor Virginia Dupuy - Waco, Texas
Police Chief Richard D. Wiles - El Paso, Texas
Mayor Dave Cieselewicz - Madison, Wisconsin
Mayor Edward Chavez - Stockton, California
Mayor Keith Holliday - Greensboro, North Carolina
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And here we go with the supporters - clearly, we have some of America's best and brightest minds on the job.

And, unremarkably:

Admin Name:Registration Private
Admin Organization: Domains by Proxy, Inc.
Admin Street1: DomainsByProxy.com
Admin Street2:15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Admin Street3:
Admin City:Scottsdale
Admin State/Province:Arizona
Admin Postal Code:85260
Admin Country:US
Admin Phone:+1.4806242599
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We needn't be bothered by realizing any inconvenience for our own stupidity. Only contact info is ACT@ammunitionaccountability.com . I despise Stevens and his for their assertions that the 1st Amendment grants a right to anonymity. It does no such thing, and clowns like these shouldn't have it. There is no security in anonymity or the 1A - the 2A has a monopoly on security.

This is what happens when you give undergrad sociology majors a $40 budget for their senior design project. Fabulous.
 
The comment regarding circumvention of the ACS is interesting. Everyone knows criminals adhere to laws and that fact that 'they're not known for their advance planing skills' would certainly make this an effective law (and pigs can fly too).

Certainly glad I live in AZ where the lawmakers appear to understand second ammendment rights.

I think I'd be more concerned if I lived in Washington, California, or Illinois where there could be enough very liberal support to the legislation.
 
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