Alternative pro-gun organizations to donate to?

K

Kimio

New member
In light of the NRA’s actions or lack thereof with the proposed bans against bump stocks, I was wondering what other organizations I can donate to in our fight to keep the RKBA on what limited life support it’s on right now.

Yes, I am aware the NRA has backpeddled a little and started pushing back again, but I’ve been getting increasingly wary that they are losing their footing in light of the that past half dozen incidents.

If there is any other organization that has similar clout to the NRA, then I’d be interested to know about them or even just someplace where I think my donations will actually make some kind of difference would be appreciated.

Not giving up on the NRA, but it appears we’re facing some of the fierces anti-gun attacks since Obama was in office, and sadly, we appear to be completely on the defensive.
 
Kimio said:
If there is any other organization that has similar clout to the NRA, then I’d be interested to know about them or even just someplace where I think my donations will actually make some kind of difference would be appreciated.
Click to expand...

Nothing else is like the NRA. I like the Federalist Society. They aren't just focused on 2d Am rights, but more broadly on a view of the law that would give the 2d Am. effect. Depending on your location, they may have frequent lunches with interesting speakers.
 
JPFO (Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership)
Second Amendment Foundation
CCRKBA

I'm not a big fan of GOA because, at least in the past, it has spent too much time and effort running down other gun rights organizations as opposed to taking positive action of its own. But if it appeals to you more than any of the others, IMO it would be better to contribute to it than not to contribute at all.
 
I belong to 4 organizations but tend to favor (GOA) Gun Owners of America. They have a $20.00 annual membership, easy to donate extra if you wish. Seem to be more NO-COMPROMISE on issues than the others. Seldom do they beg for money so I donate extra to them frequently.

gunowners.org

Whatever or whoever, all gun owners should join one or more organizations and willfully donate more than basic membership dues to fight for our 2a rights.
 
You should support your state association. They are usually very effective on local legislation and problems. They are more in touch with state legislators.

The Texas one - TSRA is excellent.

They probably get you more bang for the buck than some nationals as the wave of laws is coming to the states. Given SCOTUS won't touch state bans, you have to deal with them at the local level.
 
The Second Amendment Foundation caved on Schumer-Toomey-Manchin in 2013 (when the NRA held the line I might add). It’s director even endorsed the bill, the unendorsed it, then said he was right the first time in a later interview after it all wound down.

I would echo Glenn’s recommendation. All politics is local. If you have a strong, solid state-level RKBA organization you prevent the opposition from building up a strong bench af the national level.

I’d also distinguish between NRA-ILA/PVF and the actual NRA. As much as the lobbying is important, the real mission and strength is the NRA (firearms education part). That is always a worthy cause even when annoyed with Cox and LaPierre for one of a thousand good reasons.
 
I'm not sure any organization has or will ever have the positive impact for gun owners that the NRA does. I realize they are not perfect, but for better or worse they are the big dog in this fight. There is a reason the other side is attacking them so aggressively and not some of the previously mentioned groups. As mentioned donate to the NRA-ILA and NRV-PVF where funds will be used to support ongoing fights. However, if you must have an alternative it does seem State based groups would be best since that seems to be where most of the battles are currently being fought.
 
thallub said:
When it comes to donations to congressional candidates and political influence the second most powerful gun rights organization is The Safari Club International.
Click to expand...
How are they on Second Amendment and personal, handgun carry issues? Over the years, my impression has always been that the Safari Club is interested in protecting/promoting hunting issues, and not so much interested in protecting handguns and "evil black rifles."
 
Bartholomew Roberts said:
Safari Club is good at what they do. Protecting black rifles and handguns is not what they do.
Click to expand...
That has been my impression. And that means they are not a prime candidate for donations if you're interested in preserving the Second Amendment.
 
The Safari Club International supports pro gun congress critters who shill for the turnover of federal land to the states and developers, just like the NRA does.

Safari Club International contributions to individual congressmen/candidates:

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/toprecips.php?id=D000000757&cycle=2016


NRA Contributions to individual congressmen/candidates:

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/toprecips.php?id=D000000757&cycle=2016

Unlike the NRA, The Safari Club International does not have a gaggle of highly paid panjandrums posting political rants about hot button issues outside their charter.
 
The NRA is the big fish. Any win will require their size. Buy in and hold your nose. They are on your side. They are playing politics. That’s how it goes. Splitting your money is like giving Bloomberg a donation.

Just saying. Also, it might be worth working to fix the NRA from within. Volunteer.

Also, tell all your liberal friends that the NRA is an organization of its members. That is why the news no longer call the NRA a gun rights organization. They call it a gun manufacturer‘s lobbyist group. It is much easier to alienate an organization who promotes the interests of big business, instead of the millions of individual gun owners interested in gun rights. We need to keep that what the NRA is about.

Vote Adam Kraut!!!!!!
 
thallub said:
Unlike the NRA, The Safari Club International does not have a gaggle of highly paid panjandrums posting political rants about hot button issues outside their charter.
Click to expand...
But that's really the point, isn't it? The Safari Club is about hunting and conservation. Getting their feet wet and their hands dirty in the debate about school shootings, banning "assault weapons," and restricting handgun magazine capacity is outside their charter. Their monetary contributions to various parties and specific politicos may mirror the NRA's closely, but what those numbers don't show is what they ask for when they walk into a politician's office. Are they broad-spectrum 2A advocates, or are they Zumbos?
 
Support the NRA or ?

Take the NRA out of the discussion for the last 20 years and what do we have, probably a full handgun ban and of course the AR 15 types. If we don't continue to support the NRA we will loose big time. We don't want 10 voices, we need one big voice. don't be divided!
 
...but tend to favor (GOA) Gun Owners of America.
Click to expand...
I was a member of GOA for a year or two. I liked their no compromise attitude. Then I realized they took it to the extent they were unable to work with ANYONE. Even allied groups. SAF get my money. My state organization get some. JPFO probably should. JPFO might get to some ears that are normally closed to the others.
 
But that's really the point, isn't it? The Safari Club is about hunting and conservation. Getting their feet wet and their hands dirty in the debate about school shootings, banning "assault weapons," and restricting handgun magazine capacity is outside their charter. Their monetary contributions to various parties and specific politicos may mirror the NRA's closely, but what those numbers don't show is what they ask for when they walk into a politician's office. Are they broad-spectrum 2A advocates, or are they Zumbos?
Click to expand...

Say what you want to.

The SCI has about 50,000 members and they contribute heavily to the causes of gun rights, hunting and conservation. Only around ten percent of NRA members contribute to the ILA or PVF. In addition to my gripes with the NRA leadership i tired of carrying other members who refuse to contribute the cost of a premium six pack of beer to gun rights.

In the run up to the 2016 election the SCI donated about $14.50 per member to re-election/election campaigns of members of congress. The NRA spent about 25 cents per member.
 
The SCI has about 50,000 members and they contribute heavily to the causes of gun rights, hunting and conservation. Only around ten percent of NRA members contribute to the ILA or PVF.
Click to expand...
I guess I don't understand this. Isn't 10% of the NRA about 500,000 people, still about 10 times more than the entire SCI membership?

Also, I see that SCI is obviously pro-hunting and pro-conservation, but I don't see anything on their website about gun rights other than the obvious that a lot of hunting is done with firearms which they support.

For example, are they for or against the banning of semi-automatic handguns. Are they for or against universal background checks? Do they oppose or support firearms registration? What is their stance on "high-capacity" magazines. I can't find any of that information about them.

As far as I can tell, as long as there is any fairly reasonable legal means to own and transport typical hunting weapons SCI doesn't have a word to say about gun rights.

Here's the kind of thing that SCI cares about in terms of gun rights:

https://www.ammoland.com/2018/02/sci-president-paul-babaz-speaks-calls-gun-control/#axzz59t6cHxYn

"SCI opposes any legislation that infringes upon the Second Amendment right of law abiding young adults between the age of 18 and 20 by banning their right to purchase any long gun from a federally licensed retailer..."​

I like SCI (I've been to the annual convention in Dallas) and I have supported them in the past and will probably do so in the future, but I just had never really thought of that support as being directed towards "gun rights".
 
thallub said:
The SCI has about 50,000 members and they contribute heavily to the causes of gun rights, hunting and conservation. ...

In the run up to the 2016 election the SCI donated about $14.50 per member to re-election/election campaigns of members of congress. The NRA spent about 25 cents per member.
Click to expand...
Do the math:

$14.50 x 50,000 = $725,000

$0.25 x 5,000,000 = $1,250,000

To repeat my question: When (or if) the Safari Club goes calling on a politician in Washington, what are they pushing for? Are they supporting national carry reciprocity, no magazine capacity limits, and unrestricted access to firearms portrayed by the anti-gun forces as "assault weapons" ... or are they in Washington to promote hunting and conservation? If their only (or strongly primary) concern is hunting and conservation, that essentially means they're throwing the rest of us under the bus, and that makes them Zumbos. The NRA represents ALL firearms owners, and all types of firearm uses.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top