Alan Keyes - The Dark Horse Candidate?

Dennis

Staff Emeritus
Alan Keyes - the dark horse?
Cactus, Rigby, and other Republican supporters:

If you want to re-vitalize the Republican Party, return it to truly American
values, and win the support of Americans rather than Socialists, you might
consider Alan Keyes as your candidate.

I know, I know. He’s not “viable” because he’s religious and against
abortion; however, I have not seen anything to suggest he would make
church-going mandatory or abortion illegal under the law. Look him over,
please, and give your opinion about Alan Keyes.

Here are some excerpts from his e-mail newsletter for October 25, 1999
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Keyes Shines in ABC News Debate

GOP Presidential Candidate Alan Keyes took on 4 other Republican
presidential hopefuls Friday night, October 22, stealing the spotlight and
scoring a major victory for conservative Americans. The debate,
moderated by ABC News' Cokie Roberts and picked up by C-SPAN, featured
Ambassador Alan Keyes delivering a reality check to the other candidates.
Following is a transcript of Ambassador Keyes' remarks, with summaries of
the questions he was answering.
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(The candidates were first asked why New Hampshire voters should vote
Republican, given the improvement in the New Hampshire economy during
the
Clinton years.)

Keyes: I actually think that the premise of the question is correct. On the
basis of pure economic issues, we are not going to persuade the American
people to hand the White House from the Democrats to the Republicans.
They never have done so without a good reason, and right now, in the
economic sphere, we don't face a huge crisis; in the
international sphere we don't face one.

I think we do face an enormous crisis. It is a moral crisis. We have been
through the most shameless and humiliating period in our country’s
history, and it has threatened the integrity of our most important
institutions. On those grounds, we absolutely need to change the hands
that are now upon the White House, and give them to folks who will have
the kind of integrity the Democrats have not shown during this moral
crisis.

But I also believe that, based on renewed moral self-confidence, we
reclaim control of our money. Not by piddling tax cuts, not by "plans" that
come from on high claiming that they are going to improve our economy.
We need to get back control of our own money, and we will get back
control of our own money only when we get rid of the socialist structures
that gave that control to government, beginning with the income tax itself.
So I think that the key to making sure we are able to take advantage of
the enormous opportunities our technology is handing us is to get back
control of our money by abolishing the income tax and returning to the
original Constitution of our country, which funded the federal government
with tariffs, duties and excise taxes, not a privacy-invading income tax.
And that is where I think we need to start.
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(The next question, from a set proposed by the American Catholic Bishops:
"How will we overcome the scandal of a quarter of our pre-schoolers living
in poverty in the richest nation on earth?" The reference to Senator Hatch
was to his comment that the President can help the problem of poverty by
setting an example of responsibility.)

Keyes: I think it is a little unfair to ascribe it just to personal decisions.
Government helped to create this problem. We had a welfare system that
actually destroyed the family structure, drove the father out of the home,
took away the incentives forwork. And I think we need consciously to
revamp that system, so that it will put incentives behind marriage, behind
the maintenance of a strong family structure, behind the presence of
fathers in the home.

We also need to understand, though, that at the end of the day, helping
people ought to be the business of the charity sector, and the faith sector,
and the private sector. And that is why I think it is so critical to get up off
the money. Government doesn't need to be spending this money. Give it
back to people themselves, let them decide what to do with
it, so they can put it in the channels that will actually strengthen their
families, strengthen their church and faith institutions, to meet the
challenge of doing for one another what needs to be done.

Keyes: The whole premise of the question has to be questioned. One, I
think it is a mistake we have been making for thirty, forty years, that
plays right into the hands of the socialist mentality that, unfortunately,
dominates everybody in our politics. (Cokie Roberts attempts to reply by
mentioning the bishops again.) The Catholic bishops have gone down that
left-wing road, Cokie, and don't tell me otherwise because I am a Catholic
and I know it. And I get to criticize them when they are socialist, because
socialism is not a requirement of our theology. As a matter of fact it goes
against what the Pope has laid out as the best approach to economics.

But the point I want to make is this. The fundamental question we face is
two-fold. Whether it is education or anything else, we know first of all that
throwing money at the problem doesn't solve it, that the key to success in
all these areas turns out to be the sort of thing, in fact, that Senator Hatch
was pointing to. If by "example" you mean creating a
moral environment in which there is going to be the decency and the
discipline necessary for people to work together to pass on elements of
their heritage.

My parents were poor, Cokie, and other parents in the black community
were poor, for the longest time. That didn't make them depraved, and it
didn't mean that they couldn't raise decent children who knew how to work
hard and get out of that poverty. I think we have to be careful not to make
money the criterion.
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(The next question was whether government should ensure that American
children all receive health care just as the elderly all receive health care.
Senator McCain turned the discussion to the proposed "bill of rights" for
medical patients, including the right to sue health care providers.)

Keyes: I think that it is quite clear that the reason the Democrats favor
this is that they want to unleash the trial lawyers on the existing health
system in order to destroy it, so that they can step in and tell us that the
government has to be the savior. If we can't see that coming, then we are
awfully dumb.

I think that the premise that we need in our health care system is to make
the individuals who are receiving that health care once again into
empowered consumers, who will actually be able to police the relationship
between price and value instead of turning that chore over to
bureaucracies in the government OR the insurance companies. And that is
why we need voucherization. We need medical savings accounts. We need
the things that will once again make those individuals empowered parties,
who will be able to determine who their doctors are, whether they are
getting the kind of service that they need, but who will be able to
ENFORCE that, then, by taking their dollars where they want to take those
dollars.
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(The candidates were next asked where they stand on the charge by
President Clinton's National Security Advisor that the Republicans are
becoming "neo-isolationist.")

Keyes: I think that what we have to recognize is that when you live in a
world where you have somebody in a high position like Strobe Talbott who
tells us that the nation-state is going to be a thing of the past, and we
should surrender to some global government, those of us who resist that
idea are not isolationists. We are just defending the sovereignty and the
Constitutional integrity of the United States. And I think it is essential
right now. We should NOT follow the Clinton Administration in the
surrender of American sovereignty.

And we should certainly not accept their betrayal and it's not just
appeasement; it's treachery and in terms of handing off our secrets to the
communist Chinese, and doing God knows what in exchange for their
purchase of influence over our security policies, making decisions that
have transferred our technology and the things that actually gave us the
security edge into the hands of the country that is liable to be our
strongest potential enemy in the course of the 21st century if we are not
careful. It is a huge error.

We need to base our foreign policy on a clear sense of our national
sovereignty, and our national interest, that puts the interests of the
American people in first place, knowing that by doing so we are actually
serving the best interests of the world.

We also need to understand, though and what some of my colleagues
here, I think, do not and that that translates into a policy on trade that is
not willing to surrender the sovereignty of the American people to the
World Trade Organization or any other international body, and that, again
there, is willing to put the interests of our people FIRST, by making it clear
that if you want to come trade in the American emporium, you can help us
bear the freight for keeping that emporium open. I think that is fair to the
American worker.
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(The next question was "What about trade? Is it a good thing?" Gary Bauer
asked Steve Forbes if he would repeal most favored nation status for
China, and Forbes gave a long reply that never answered that question.)

Keyes: Two things are clear. One, I think we just need a clear answer to
that very simple question. Most favored nation status for China sends a
signal of business as usual to a bunch of dictators who are brutalizing and
destroying the rights of their people, and we shouldn't be doing it. I think
it is that simple, and one ought to be able to say so.

Second, I think that the answer that was given about fair trade and free
trade always sounds very good, until you think through its implications. It
means that through the mechanism of so-called "free trade,"we are going
to sit down and negotiate a minutiae of regulations and so forth, to be
enforced by what? A bunch of international bureaucrats. So that it turns
out that, as I often tell people, free trade is not free trade, it is managed
trade. It is socialism. And what we are seeing here on this podium, a
bunch of free traders, and what they are actually doing is introducing
socialism into America through the international back door. It is not the
right thing to do, and we oughtn't to accept it.
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(Another question from the Bishops' list: "How will we address the tragedy
of 35,000 children dying every day of the consequences of hunger, debt,
and the lack of development around the world?" Cokie adds: "What about
this question of third world debt, and what about this question of the
United States' moral role in the world?")

Keyes: I served as Ambassador to UN Economic and Social Council and
Assistant Secretary of State. I dealt with those issues and having to do
with development and what we do, or don't do, and how third world
countries are doing, and what the terrible situations are in day in and day
out for several years. And I'll tell you the truth: the notion that we can
wave some magic wand, send money, do loans, do whatever, that is
fundamentally going to change the situation of a lot of these developing
countries is false. Do you know why? Because at the end of the day it is up
to the people in those countries themselves to adopt the path of freedom,
and to establish the institutions that can sustain it. Including institutions
we don't always think of, like honest courts, where you can go to suit in
order to sustain business relationships, and things of that kind.

I think, yes, we need to take an interest in helping other countries develop
to the point where they can be effective trading partners with us, but we
shouldn't fool ourselves into believing that some "transfer of resources" is
magically going to achieve this objective if they are not willing to adopt
the right kind of free enterprise policies that will actually sustain their
growth and development.

Keyes: You made a point a minute ago about banks, like there is a
distinction between banks and taxpayers. Excuse me. We have farmers
sitting in Iowa, where we have to appropriate billions of dollars to try to
help them get through hard times. Why? Because that capital isn't being
made available to them through the banking system. So I don't think
that distinction is fair. Our banks shouldn't be giving preference to people
overseas either.
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(Question: "How did we get into an educational crisis in America, and how
do we get out?")

Keyes: I think it is clear that one main principle needs to be
re-implemented in our approach to education: parents need to be put in
the diver's seat once again, instead of educrats and bureaucrats. To that
end, we need to break the government monopoly on education by making
sure that the money we spend on education follows the choice of parents,
not the choice of the educrats and the bureaucrats.

That will then do two things. It will make sure that the schools have to be
responsive to the parents, who will then be able to send their children to
schools of their choice, set up new schools if they think that is what is
necessary. But it will also reestablish a vital link that has been broken
between faith and moral viewpoint, and our educational system.
People say, "Why are there guns and killing in school?" Well, I'll tell you.
We got the guns in because we drove God out. And we will get God back
in, when we put parents back in the driver's seat so they can send their
children to schools that reflect their faith, their values, their sense of the
moral priorities that are the real basis for educational success and
motivation.

I think that that two-fold approach, which empowers parents at the
grassroots and which reestablishes the vital connection between education
and our moral discipline and our moral principles are the key to seeing our
schools improve.

What is NOT the key, by the way, is what is often implied when people talk
in these terms of poor and rich, and all this stuff. We have some of the
poorest people in the country in the District of Columbia; we also have
some of the highest per capita spending per student. It hasn't produced
great results, because money is not the key. We need to look at the true
keys, and not talk as if throwing money at education will solve things.
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(The next question was why the House voted against school vouchers and
for more federal education spending. In replying, Senator McCain
mentioned that special education programs are being abused by the
transfer of disciplinary problems to special ed programs, but that the
program must be fully funded and this problem solved.)

Keyes: Well, I would have to say that what Senator McCain just said is a
good example of what I think is part of the problem with the whole federal
role in education. Let's not pretend that the things that are being done at
the local level aren't influenced by the sense that, "well, we'll get federal
funds if we move over here," and that the way they make decisions is then
distorted by the fact that the federal government is in various ways
leveraging and manipulating control over those local institutions.

That's why I think it is essential that we stop talking out of both sides of
our mouths, stop talking about "national standards" and "what I'm gonna
do when I get in there to make education this and that." I'll tell you one
thing: it's not what I'm going to do as President that will satisfy the need.
(The question is) am I going to put power back into the hands of people at
the grassroots, so they can do what has to be done? And once I have
achieved that, am I going to do what Ronald Reagan promised to do,
abolish the federal Department of Education, so that we can make it clear
that education is a local, grassroots responsibility?
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(Senator McCain was asked how he would have voted if he had been
present for the Senate's recent votes against partial birth abortion and for
overturning Roe vs. Wade. His entire response, over which he stumbled,
was: "I would have voted for the abolishing of Roe vs. Wade," and he
immediately turned the subject back to education, telling a story about
going to a charter school and seeing that it was teaching moral principles
and in this case, the principle of always telling the truth and without
having to teach religion.)

Keyes: By the way, Senator, I think that the abolition of Roe vs. Wade
would deserve a little louder affirmation than that, maybe a little clearer,
in the sense that, "of course" you would have voted to abolish Roe vs.
Wade, because it is not a matter of majority vote. If our basic principle is
correct, and our rights come from the Creator, then they don't come from
our mother's choice.

We need, at every opportunity, as we had to do with slavery and civil
rights, to remind the American people that we, as a people, claim our
rights based upon a premise that forbids it to us to deny those rights to
other human creatures of God, including the creatures in the womb.

I think that that was what that vote was about. I am glad that the
Republicans in the Senate overwhelmingly affirmed that truth. And I think
that it is a disgrace to suggest that we can back away from that
fundamental principle of truth, and then expect our children to accept the
notion that we ought to tell the truth. Because if we abandon our
fundamental principles, and we don't have the moral character at the
public policy level, then we are setting such a bad example of truth for our
children that we should expect their consciences to be corrupted.

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Council for National Policy

Alan Keyes gave a spectacular speech at the Council for National Policy
meeting in San Antonio on October 8, 1999, as he addressed a large
gathering of conservatives from around the nation. He stressed that we
must be strong in dealing with the moral crisis in our country, and that we
must not try to get away from Socialism simply by electing phony
socialists of our own. The crowd cheered as Alan proclaimed the principles
of the declaration, and a very vocal group of Texans reacted particularly
enthusiastically when Alan revealed Bush to be what he really is, a
socialist in Republican clothes. Alan argued that this Bush strategy would
not only alienate the Republican grassroots, but would also earn nothing
but disdain from the liberals, since they would rather see real socialists
running the country than the imitation kind.

Earlier in the day, the Keyes 2000 National Youth Coordinator, Dmitri
Smirenski, participated in a panel discussion with the Forbes 2000 Youth
Coordinator. They addressed the Youth Council for National Policy about
their perspective youth campaigns. Dmitri discussed the appeal of Alan
Keyes to students, the issues on which the youth campaign differentiates
Alan Keyes from other conservative candidates, and general youth
campaign strategy. He also answered questions about the difficulties of
promoting a conservative candidate on liberal campuses.

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Students for Keyes 2000

This weekend I had the pleasure of attending the 2nd Northwest
Conservative Leadership Conference, put on by the Young America's
Foundation, a right wing campus activism organization. I can tell that
people are hungry for conservative leadership in America, and at the same
time, winning is very important. But the message I tried to articulate to
students this weekend is that G.W. Bush has not proven himself to be a
genuine conservative leader. And if we hope to restore the White House
and America to an era of hope and national leadership starting January 20,
2001, we cannot place our trust in men of less urgency than we have to.
And we don't have to sacrifice another few years of moderate governing
for the mere sake of victory. True victory will only be achieved when the
presidency is restored to a seat of honor and integrity and straightforward
vision.
--HANS ZEIGER Coordinator, Students for Keyes Washington
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PLEASE, read Keyes’ take on our Second Amendment:
http://www.keyes2000.org/issues_and_speeches/index.html

[This message has been edited by Dennis (edited October 26, 1999).]
 
Dennis,

I have looked over Alan Keyes. I love him. He is right on all the issues, he's brilliant and perhaps even a better speaker than Pat Buchanon.

I do have reservations about his presidential abilities however. His lack of any elective experience concerns me. I just don't think that President should be an entry level position. He also tends to be angry and brooding like Pat Buchanon. History has shown that this personality type has had a difficult time accomplishing anything as President. Does the name Richard Nixon ring a bell?

If, however, Mr. Keyes were to be nominated as the Republican candidate, I would hold my head high and cast my vote for him. America could do alot worse!
 
Dennis,

When Alan Keyes did his announcement speech, about a month or so back, I doubt that there were many more people more fired up about him than me! I LOVE the guy, are you kidding me?

I wouldn't hesitate to vote for Sen. Keyes even for a fraction of a second.

But I wouldn't hesitate voting for Bush, either. Unlike you, and here is the major source of our disagreeing, I don't see all that socialism spewing out of the Governor of my State. I disagree that he is going to cook our rights with slow fire, or gut-shoot our Constitution.
I positively loved him from the moment he set foot in the State Capitol in 1995, and most of my fellow Gun-club members, gunsmiths and Texas State Rifle Association buddies agree with me (and believe me, they are no pansies when it comes to politics!!!!)
So, if he were so anti-RKBA, why has he got such a good track-record in Texas? Don't you think that in 4 years we would have seen that sentiment transpire from his actions? Maybe even a slip? Where has he let any gun-owner down? I want to know, because if you give me anything good enough against him, I won't vote for him.

But, please, don't refer me back to his father or his family. That's just not the way it works. Just look at history. Teddy vs FDR? Same last-name, radically different policies. Just look at your own family: do you and your dad agree on everything? I can tell you that, even though I truly adore my own father, I would never claim that we agree on even 20% of matters when it comes to politics.

Where is all the socialism in GW? Look at his actions as governor (not his words as a presidential nominee, not even his omissions). Where is it? WHERE?

Sure. Keyes would make a good president. And, yes, he is viable, which is a word that I don't consider that bad. Viability is a factor that must be considered before every strategy can be seriously considered, whether it is on the battlefield, on a Football field or in politics.

And I even like Steve Forbes (to a point) and some of the other Republican nominees too. I despised Liddy, and I am to this day wondering what the h*ll she was doing being a Republican......

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If you are younger than 20 and not a Liberal, you have no heart.

If you are older than 20 and STILL a Liberal, you have no brain.
 
From an idealist and intellectual point of view, I think he is superior to GW. He is passionate and an excellent communicator.

I am concerned about his adminstrative experience, but then, if he has good people supporting him in office, this is of less concern.

I am not sure he is viable because he is black. I think he would lose more Republican white voters than the number of black Democrats he would draw. This is not a problem unless those Republicans vote for the Democratic nominee, which I said a while ago would be Bradley.

Finally, I like his theme of turning the decisions, and money, back to the people. The moral theme is big, but what if the people's decisions go against his morality? Should one be penalized for wanting to remain a single parent? What if a mother wanted an abortion? And I don't remember his position on drugs, but most likely he would continue the war. My libertarian bent has reservations on these issues.

On RKBA, I remember reading his strong support for it. But, what legislation would he actually support? Would he remove the EO and allow foreign "assault weapons" to be imported? Would he role back the gun laws of 94, 86, 68, and 34? I would like specifics. My guess is he would be a status-quo President on this issue. Is this the best we can hope for, the status quo? Should we vote for the status quo or for one who would push hard to eliminate gun control laws? From the discussion on third party candidates, it seems most people would vote for the status quo because of viability. Viability is not an issue for me. Freedom and privacy is. Self-defense against criminals and government tyrants is.

Personally, I have not decided who to vote for yet, but in the Republican race, Keyes is my front runner.
 
Cactus & Rigby,

This is getting bad! The more you guys talk the more we agree!

About Keyes. I understand your concern about his lack of legislative experience. On the other hand, consider what our "experienced" Presidents have done to our country. Could Keyes be worse? (Kind of a toss-up.)

I like Keyes' stand on the Second Amendment. It's there. It means what it says. It is the final step of "checks and balances" against a potentially tyrannical government. I have come to believe in this with all my heart.

Therefore, I have become uncompromising on the Bill of Rights. Regime after regime has made us compromise away our rights for a little more security. But violent crime INcreased and was getting worse until so many states passed CHL laws. And that is what makes me believe in Lott's concept that more guns equals less crime.

I question whether Alan Keyes has a chance at his party's nomination. But then, many pundits predicted his demise long ago - prematurely. Keyes may be the Dark Horse candidate. He may have the message that America is ready to hear.

Time will tell. At the moment, I prefer Keyes over Bush - by a long shot.

[This message has been edited by Dennis (edited October 27, 1999).]
 
It's confession time.

When 416Rigby posted about third party candidates, I agreed with him. I really believe that if the conservative vote is split between several candidates, a liberal will win the election. So, I'll let you in on a little secret.

In the last presidential election, I voted my conscience. I wrote in Allen Keyes.
 
Maybe I'm an idealist, but I really don't think there are enough racist Republicans that would vote against Amb. Keyes and support Sen. Bradley or VP Gore to make a difference.
Anyone stupid enough to do that deserves to have Gore as their President.
Keyes is the only man of principle in the race. I don't even agree with him on everything... but he's principled and consistent, and that, by itself, is enough to make him the best candidate running.
I don't find him angry or brooding, either. I think he's passionate and committed.
I got the e-mail referenced above the other day, and came home and made out a check to Keyes2000 that night.

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TB., NC
rosie.acmecity.com/bebe/6/index.html
 
Being a committed Keyes supporter, I would like to try to respond to a few concerns raised here. If one defines a conservative as someone who champions individual liberty and adheres to a fundamental reading of the Constitution, then although the republican party has a few conservative members, there are no others among them in this presidential race. Keyes is it. I am not concerned about so-called conservative voting splits among various candidates. Gore and Bradley will split the liberal vote to the republicans benefit? Mr. Keyes is not any more angry or brooding than any of us, but is truly an inspirational speaker. Ask any unbiased source who won that battle at the high dollar straw polls. I am little concerned with Keyes administrative skills because if he can plant the seeds of destruction for the IRS, then there will be a lot less nonsense to administer to by overpaid administrators. All that will be left will be what the Constitution eloquently outlines. If you think being black is a pure political liablity in the republican party, ask yourself if you have ever taken an order from a black superior who respects you, trusted yourself to the care of a black stranger in an ER, ever heard of JC Watts or Colin Powell? Conservatives vote character and ideology. I will never vote for Jesse Jackson because he is a Marxist, not because he is black. Finally, with all due respect to Texans ( a place I have called home ), GW Bush is on record stating that he will accept more "reasonable" gun control. Regardless of his track record in Texas, what reasonable gun control would you like us to accept?
 
Alan Keyes is a wasted talent that needs to be used more in this country.
He, like Forbes, Bauer, Buchannan, should run for office and walk the walk, not just talk the talk.
Unless you have just won WW2 like Ike, people want someone with experience,period.
Be it a govenor, senator, mayor, whatever, but you have to be elected, not appointed.
Then you are a viable candidate.
Alan Keyes is a guy with more soul and compassion than many a man has.
I just wish he would he was elected someplace...
 
Alan Keyes is a wasted talent that needs to be used more in this country.
He, like Forbes, Bauer, Buchannan, should run for office and walk the walk, not just talk the talk.
Unless you have just won WW2 like Ike, people want someone with experience,period.
Be it a govenor, senator, mayor, whatever, but you have to be elected, not appointed.
Then you are a viable candidate.
Alan Keyes is a guy with more soul and compassion than many a man has.
I just wish he would he was elected someplace...
 
I caught him on two talk shows right after and as far as I could tell he really blew it when he started crying racism when the audience wouldn't ask him the questions he wanted. All the hosts were shocked at his actions and I was really surprised that he would have come unscrewed like he did.
 
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