AIWB and beavertails

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OhioGuy

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I'm interested in the CZ P07 and would carry AIWB if I had one.

I'm curious whether anyone carries a gun with a pronounced beaver tail in this position, and if it creates a problem of being jabbed in the gut when bending or sitting. I use a dedicated holster with a foam wedge that tilts the back of the gun into my body, so the pointy part would be angled towards me.

Curious if this is a problem for anyone. How about the 1911 crowd? Those are some serious beaver tails right there! :)
 
I do not own a pistol with an extened beavertail. Not a fan of the bayonette facing the wrong direction.

The only good reason I have ever heard for an extended beavertail especially on a 1911 is due to hammer bite. I can not recall ever suffering from such but have heard it could be due to hand size or shape. In other words some of us do not experience it and other could have a problem with it.

I know some simply like the look along with skeletonized triggers and hammers and cut-outs on slides. To each their own.
 
I owned a P-07 but didn't carry it AIWB. To me the beavertail on it is both somewhat abbreviated and on the "Gen 2" version they made a notable effort to round and smooth it off. I don't see it being a particular problem. Some of that will of course depend on how much of a "tactical shelf" you have.
 
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I'm not an appendix carry fan...to fond of the jewells to risk them...prefer to use a 4:00 OWB, with any spare mag carried on the left hip, near 3:00...several of my carry pieces have BT's & I've had no problems with them and in fact I find them helpful in establishing a 'firing grip' while the gun is still in the leather...HTH's Rod
 
I have the Gen 2 P07 and I carry it almost every day. I do not have a dedicated appendix holster, but I do have a single clip IWB and it isn't comfortable in the appendix position.

I carry mine strong side with a good forward cant to conceal the grip under most normal clothing.

I don't think appendix carry of the P07 would be very comfortable.

One thing that I noticed about the P-07 is that it isn't a Glock 19. I always forget how much lighter the Glock is because I don't own one. I shot my instructors G19 after shooting my P-07 for 2 hours and was amazed by the weight difference.

Oh and good luck if you want night sights. I think you might have 1 option.

Not trying to steer you away. I love mine.

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Yes, I saw by the dimensions that the P07 and G19 appear "almost the same," but holding side-by-side, it's apparent that the G19 is considerably sleeker.

I'm beginning to see the benefits of that ugly, boxy, 110% utilitarian Glock design. Nothing to snag, no unnecessary bulk, lightweight, low bore, billions of aftermarket everything.

One of the major reasons I began looking at a hammer fired gun, was my desire to have a hammer to "ride" when holstering the weapon, especially AIWB. I believe there's real merit to that. And I thought the P07 was a fantastic gun when I held and shot it, but I did immediately notice the beavertail poking at me when I experimented with putting it inside the waistband. Glock has optional beavertails.

And then, yesterday, I discovered "The Gadget" on a bunch of forums and videos, that apparently replaces the plate on the back of a Glock slide and allows you to "ride the striker" similar to a hammer, using thumb pressure to detect resistance against the trigger, and prevent the trigger from being pulled. I have a Walther PPS with an exposed striker indicator, and I can ride that with my thumb. I always did think that was a simple and brilliant feature. Apparently, for about $80 I can do the same with a Glock....

The weight difference is considerable, as you say.

I have this feeling that, after a long process of searching for guns that "are the same size as a Glock 19, I'm going to end up with...a Glock 19??? :eek:

I like the triggers and ergonomics better on the PPQ and 2.0 M&P, but both are "cocked and unlocked" and (comments about booger-hooks and bang-switches aside) I realize that I'm not a robot and the risk is real of something going wrong when it's pointed at my leg or groin. I like the feel of the P07 better, but it's chunky, and the aftermarket support appears to be fairly minimal. I like overall Springfield XD package, but I find it hard to control when shooting quickly...I do better with the Glock. Really liked the Beretta PX4 Compact, but the placement of the decocker levers just pisses me off.

I guess in short, I can say I "like" almost every gun I've tried better (in some way) than the Glock, but when I roll them all into one package that's 100% about training, carrying and self-defense with no time to worry about what I like better on a range, the Glock seems to beat them all simply by being mundane and absolutely reliable. They all do "that one thing" better, but the Glock does them all "well enough" and at the same time.

Maybe that's why nobody can ever beat Glock?
 
Oh, and if I end up with a Glock, I will keep it perfectly concealed at all times, so nobody will ever know I bought one after a year of swearing there were better options!!! :D
 
Nevermind the Glock.

I got to shoot the P07 today and it's beautiful. The beavertail is really not an issue.
 
I haven't had the P07, but I have carried a P229 Elite and a first gen M&P full size appendix style for quite a long time. Never gave me problems. The only issues I've ever had was with the Trijicon HD rear sights on HK VP9/P30/HK45/M&P guns. Not an issue on Glocks or USP's... also, the HD XR's don't seem to have the same super sharp corners. I have the HD XR on my M&P 2.0 Compact and have been carrying it AIWB for over a month now. It's been perfect.
 
My P-07 never jabbed me too much more than anything else. Sure it is a little uncomfortable to start, but I find that any time I switch a carry gun, holster, or location I have a few weeks of discomfort as my body adjusts to new pokey bits and rubby bits in new places.

Glad you liked shooting the P-07. Mine was nice but I just never got comfortable with my first shot out of the holster, always a few inches further off than I liked. I had bought it to carry cocked and locked, but the safety was just to danged small for that purpose.

Still kinda miss that gun, but the P229 I replaced it with covers that niche for me well enough.
 
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