Ah, yes, but when it is their turn ...

jimpeel

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For years the press has banged away on their mighty typewriters whittling away at the Second Amendment; but they panic when it is their turn to have their precious First Amendment freedom of the press threatened. To where will they turn and how do they expect to win back that right once it is gone? Will they take up that pen which is so much mightier than the sword to write of their plight? Kinda hard to do when you're sitting in a dungeon and writing instruments are contraband.

Perhaps if they buy a license, limit the number of words, stay away from multi-colored pens, buy only white paper, and use low speed printing presses the government will leave them alone.

Check out the very first sentence of this story. "Oh, my, we are gonna have to testify and the hounds of literary hell will descend upon us". Well, how's it feel, fellas? Welcome to the club!

SOURCE

Media Subpoenas in U.S. Terror Case Raise Concerns
Fri Jun 4, 2004 11:48 AM ET

By Caroline Drees, Security Correspondent
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. government has subpoenaed four journalists from major media to testify in the trial of a lawyer facing terrorism charges in a case which has raised fears for the freedom of the press.

The subpoenas are in the trial of Lynne Stewart, who is charged with helping her client Sheikh Omar Abdel-Rahman, convicted of encouraging bombings in the United States, communicate from prison with what prosecutors say are his terrorist followers.

The New York Times, Reuters and Newsday are seeking to quash the unusual subpoenas of their reporters. Their success or failure may set legal precedents in a case pitting the media's concerns about protecting sources and impartiality against government efforts to win the battle against terror.

"We seem to be moving to a potential conflict between First Amendment interests and those of national security," said prominent press freedom attorney Floyd Abrams. (That's what they said about the Second Amendment. Don't you remember, Floyd?)

"This is an area fraught with danger for journalists and their ability to protect confidential information and sources, as well as non-confidential material," he said. (And your attacks on the Second Amendment have made it dangerous for us to protect ourselves and our families, Floyd)

The four journalists involved are Joseph Fried of The New York Times, New York Times freelancer George Packer, Esmat Salaheddin of Reuters and Newsday reporter Patricia Hurtado.

Government prosecutors want them to confirm in court that comments they attributed to Stewart in articles were in fact made by her.

Legal experts say that without the reporters' confirmation under oath, the articles are considered hearsay and are not admissible in court. If confirmed, the information can be used as evidence.

While all three media stand by the stories, they oppose the subpoenas on principle and because testifying could open the door to far broader cross-examination by the defense. (We oppose gun control on principle and because it could open the door for far broader gun control)

The government says the subpoenas call for extremely limited but important testimony from the journalists and would not compromise the so-called "reporters' privilege." (The government told us that gun control would be extremely limited and would not compromise our so-called "Right To Bear Arms")

Reporters say that without their privilege to refuse to disclose even non-confidential information, based on the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, they cannot do their job. (Without our "privilege" to keep and bear arms we cannot defend ourselves or our families)

"Our sources will dry up if sources ... think that anything they tell us will be repeated against them in court. Why would you speak to a reporter if those words are going to be read back against you in court?" said George Freeman, in-house counsel for The New York Times.

"We are supposed to be the watchdog of our government, not its lap dog, so we shouldn't be in bed with it testifying," Freeman said. (We are supposed to be the watchdog of our government, not its lap dog, so we shouldn't be disarmed)

SETTING A PRECEDENT

Kevin Goldberg, a lawyer for the American Society of Newspaper Editors, said the subpoenas could set a dangerous precedent. (Gun control set one for us, Kev)

"There are provisions in the USA Patriot Act (post-Sept. 11, 2001 anti-terrorism legislation) that conceivably make it very easy for the government to trample on First Amendment rights," he said. "The really dangerous precedent I'm seeing from this case is the increasing reliance on journalists to be an investigatory arm of the government." (Our Second Amendment rights were being trampled before there ever was a Patriot Act, Kev)

Michael Gerhard, a First Amendment expert at the William & Mary School of Law, said: "There is a tension here that we haven't seen much before between the journalists' efforts to do their job and the government's explicit acknowledgments that it has paramount concerns." (You don't want to see what "tension" would look like between firearms owners and the government, Michael)

Presiding Judge John Koeltl has not yet ruled on the New York Times' and Reuters' motions to quash the subpoenas. Newsday's in-house counsel Stephanie Abrutyn says the paper plans to file its motion within two weeks.

The trial is due to start June 21.

© Copyright Reuters 2004.
 
Sent the following to Reuter's editors

Thought I'd give them a tickle.
In the Jun 4, 2004 article "Media Subpoenas in U.S. Terror Case Raise Concerns" the issue of the threat to the First Amendment and the possible future degradation of same was discussed.

Journalists have been using that First Amendment to destroy the Second Amendment for years. We said exactly what those quoted in the article said but our entreaties fell on deaf ears; and you continued to go after the Second Amendment with a vengeance.

We stated that if the Second Amendment fell, the First Amendment would be next to follow. They start small but then they work their way up, ever expansively. "We only want this." and then "We only want this, too." and then "It is simple common sense that you give up this."

Oh, yes, your time is nigh; and they will start to chip away. So who will you call to win it back when it's gone? Don't come to us because by that time it will be too late and the means to win it back will be gone -- at your behest.

So, how's it feel, fellas? Welcome to the club!

Sincerely,

Jim Peel
Kimball, NE
 
Don't come to us because by that time it will be too late and the means to win it back will be gone -- at your behest.
Much as I'd like to echo that message,,, I find that I can't.
*sigh*
Truth is, I believe in 1 through 10 of the BOR. Sadly, I have to confess that freedom of speech is something I'll always have to support.
I'll fight just as long and just as hard to preserve their freedom of speech as I would anyone else's. Deep down, I'm sure the majority of the board will/would do the same,,,and that includes you 2 guys that have posted so far.

It's the thing that seperates us from them.
 
Hal, you missed the point. He's not saying he (or WE) won't support the 1A. He's saying that, due to the liberal journalists' attacks on the 2A, we won't be ABLE to use the 2A to defend the 1A.
 
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