Ah.. I knew we were conservative right here in AZ but...

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...I just heard on local channel 12 news the AZ legislators are proposing a bill to allow AZ to suscede (spelling) from the nation should the feds ever decide to confiscate firearms.
(No, I didn't fall off the wagon)
I swear it!
I'll post the article when it comes out in the morning.
Scratch that, I'll be at work behind the firewall. Someone else will need to do it.
Look at azcentral.com
 
Man I'm starting to love this state more and more. Finally some lawmakers with guts.

From the Channel 12 website

Plan for Arizona's secession for US established

An unusual resolution in the Arizona legislature sets up a procedure for the state to secede from the federal government under certain conditions.

One of those conditions would be if the federal government tried to make it illegal to own firearms or tried to confiscate them.

Other conditions that could trigger the secession plan include a federal attempt to institute martial law without a state's consent and a federal declaration to suspend or abolish the Constitution of the United States.

HCR 2034 says the federal government has violated the Constitution "in both word and spirit."

"The many violations of the Constitution of the United States by the federal government include disposing of federal property without the approval of Congress, usurping jurisdiction from the states in such matters as abortion and firearms rights and seeking control of public lands within state borders."

If 34 other states joined Arizona, the state would assume total sovereignty, re-establish the Constitution and the U.S. with those other states, form a new federal government, and elect a new President and Congress.

Another key point of the plan says all land within the borders of the state would belong to the state. Much of Arizona's public lands is under federal control. Under the plan, the state could sell the land or give it back to the new federal government.

The resolution passed in the Federal Mandates and States' Rights committee 3 to 2 on Thursday, February 3rd.
Voting Yes:
Barbara B. Blewster, Debra Brimhall, and Karen S. Johnson
Voting No:
Bill Brotherton and Carmine Cardamone
Absent
Gail Griffin
 
Awesome! If Arizona goes then I'm sure Texas will too. We're the only state that has that written into the annexation anyway. I honestly think that this is the only way we'll get it back to normal and within constitutional limits. Too many people out there are brainwashed by the press. All 50 should secceed, and form a new union under the old constitution, and just form a whole new government. Starve the old one to death. I'd sure as hell pay taxes to Texas and smile rather than pay to the Feds. Besides, Texas has everything. Guns, Beer, Land, and anything else you would need. Oh did I mention beer?
 
Interesting point, if all 50 state ceceeded and formed a new nation. The national debt would be picked up by Puerto Rico, Guam, American Samoa, and all of the other US territories. Sounds like a good way to get out of debt.
 
Thats it - I am going to HAVE to move to AZ!

Uh - any job openings there?
PPPPPLLLLease?

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I mean, if I went around saying I was an Emperor because some
moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, people would put me away!
 
Now this brings up a problem for most of us. Move to Vermont or Arizona?

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Here is the actual text of the bill

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>


A CONCURRENT RESOLUTION

PROPOSING THE DISSOLUTION OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
IF CERTAIN CONDITIONS OCCUR.

(TEXT OF BILL BEGINS ON NEXT PAGE)

Whereas, on July 4, 1776, our founding fathers proclaimed that the people had the right to alter or abolish their government and
declared thirteen British colonies to be free and independent, or sovereign, states; and

Whereas, on March 1, 1781, the thirteen states formed a central government they called the United States of America under a
charter known as the Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union, which stated that "each state retains its sovereignty,
freedom and independence"; and

Whereas, on September 17, 1787, the leaders of the Continental Congress signed the present Constitution of the United
States, which was then transmitted to the thirteen states for ratification and the formation of a new central government; and

Whereas, several of the states delayed ratification of the Constitution and three states made clear their position regarding
sovereignty by stating that "the powers of government may be resumed by the people whensoever it shall become necessary to
their happiness"; and

Whereas, eventually all thirteen of the independent states ratified the Constitution of the United States and joined the new
Union, while retaining their sovereignty as states. The states made the new central government sovereign only to the extent that
the states delegated to it limited and specific powers; and

Whereas, the Constitution of the United States is merely a treaty among sovereigns, and under treaty law when one party
violates the treaty the other parties are automatically released from further adherence to it unless they wish to continue; and

Whereas, the fifty current principals, or signatories, to the treaty have done well in honoring and obeying it, yet the federal agent
has, for decades, violated it in both word and spirit. The many violations of the Constitution of the United States by the federal
government include disposing of federal property without the approval of Congress, usurping jurisdiction from the states in such
matters as abortion and firearms rights and seeking control of public lands within state borders; and

Whereas, under Article V, Constitution of the United States, three-fourths of the states may abolish the federal government. In
the alternative, if the states choose to exercise their inherent right as sovereigns, fewer than thirty-eight states may lawfully
choose to ignore Article V, Constitution of the United States, and establish a new federal government for themselves by
following the precedent established by Article VII, Constitution of the United States, in which nine of the existing thirteen states
dissolved the existing Union under the Articles of Confederation and automatically superceded the Articles.

Therefore

Be it resolved by the House of Representatives of the State of Arizona, the Senate concurring:

1. That when or if the President of the United States, the Congress of the United States or any other federal agent or agency
declares the Constitution of the United States to be suspended or abolished, if the President or any other federal entity attempts
to institute martial law or its equivalent without an official declaration in one or more of the states without the consent of that
state or if any federal order attempts to make it unlawful for individual Americans to own firearms or to confiscate firearms, the
State of Arizona, when joined by thirty-four of the other fifty states, declares as follows: that the states resume all state powers
delegated by the Constitution of the United States and assume total sovereignty; that the states re-ratify and re-establish the
present Constitution of the United States as the charter for the formation of a new federal government, to be followed by the
election of a new Congress and President and the reorganization of a new judiciary, similarly following the precedent and
procedures of the founding fathers; that individual members of the military return to their respective states and report to the
Governor until a new President is elected; that each state assume a negotiated, prorated share of the national debt; that all land
within the borders of a state belongs to the state until sold or ceded to the central government by the state's Legislature and
Governor; and that once thirty-five states have agreed to form a new government, each of the remaining fifteen be permitted to
join the new confederation on application.

2. That the Secretary of State of the State of Arizona transmit copies of this Resolution to the President of the United States,
the President of the United States Senate, the Speaker of the United States House of Representatives and each Member of
Congress from the State of Arizona.
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http://www.azleg.state.az.us/legtext/44leg/2r/bills/hcr2034p.htm
 
Love it... My move to AZ may be happening even sooner, as I join my fellow patriots there to stave of the federal attempt to prevent this action (A repeat of 1860??).

Gotta wonder what McCain is thinking right about now! ;)
 
I can certainly see a scenario where Arizona, Texas, New Mexico, Utah, and maybe Coloroado and some of the conservative "mountain" states secede given a federal land/gun/rights grab. Too bad I am on the East Coast. I wonder if the Old South would rise up and join this new movement. If so, I'd pack it all up and head back to GA.
 
Georgia maybe, but not Atlanta.

I hope the AZ people out there remember what happened last time a state rightly tried to leave the union. It wasn't pretty.
 
This is so good, I especially love this part

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>
Whereas, the Constitution of the United States is merely a
treaty among sovereigns, and under treaty law when one party
violates the treaty the other parties are automatically released
from further adherence to it unless they wish to continue; and

Whereas, the fifty current principals, or signatories, to the
treaty have done well in honoring and obeying it, yet the federal
agent
has, for decades, violated it in both word and spirit. The many
violations of the Constitution of the United States by the federal
government include disposing of federal property without the
approval of Congress, usurping jurisdiction from the states in
such
matters as abortion and firearms rights and seeking control of
public lands within state borders
[/quote]
 
This thread really should be in Legal/Political. As a thread is already in that forum ( http://www.thefiringline.com:8080/forums/showthread.php?threadid=27152 ), please continue there.

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[This message has been edited by Coinneach (edited February 04, 2000).]
 
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