Aguila Super Colibri wont feed? Marlin 795

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I bought these rounds a few days ago and went to shoot them today. I am well aware that these cannot cycle the action, in which case you must work the action yourself. I'm having real problems. It isn't huge, I'm not upset about it. But I didn't expect something like THIS to happen. When I go to cycle the action, the casing will eject like it normally should, but when I try to move it back forward (expecting to chamber the next round), the next round is also pulled out of the mag. This is a problem, because it doesnt get to go in the chamber... it just kinda twists to the side and now, and you can pretty much guess the rest... Why is a second round trying to come out without the bolt moving forward? This is kinda confusing... I loaded them in by hand and that worked with absolutely no problem, but still kinda sucks. I've been having problems with this mag since I got it, but I sent the gun and mag back to marlin. They said they fixed it. Then I tried Federal and Remington bulk (I had been using winchester) and Federal seems to be my gun's favorite ammo. So at this point, there is absolutely no problem with the gun... Anyone have any ideas on how I can fix this?
 
This is probably not what you want to hear, but I think with that particular rifle you will have to single load it. If you want to reliably cycle shorts, get a tube fed rifle, such as the Winchester 9422, Remington 12 or 121.

A model 60 Marlin will probably work as well, although like the 795, they wont work the action, but they should feed out of the tube. A friend of mine shoots shorts out of his model 60, manually working the action.
 
hmm... Well they aren't really shorts. They are either long or long rifle cases, not entirely sure. I don't know why this is happening, but I know that this gun loves to double feed for some odd, strange reason.

I guess I'll just stick to loading them one at a time. Either way, it's better than a break-barrel pellet rifle... :(
 
Aquila

The Super Colibri, iirc, has a shorter, lighter bullet than a "normal" .22 . They are meant to be single loaded...by hand....no magazine.
Pete
 
These will cycle well enough in some rifles and not so much in others.

I have used them reliably in:

Winchester 9422 lever
Winchester 250 lever
Winchester 62a pump
Marlin 39a lever
Marlin 60 semi-auto (and, yes, you have to hand cycle them)

OTOH, I have had them hang up so bad in some guns that the rifle had to be partially dis-assembled and the round destroyed to get it out.

I'd recommend experimenting one at a time. They are a lot of fun to shoot and, depending on the rifle, are either very quiet or completely noiseless (in the Win 9422 and Marlin 39a the loudest sound you hear is the hammer falling).

Best.

Will
 
Hmm... well it definitely seems to be the gun. I'll need to screw around with it for a while and see if I can get anything. I'm just curious if it would work with a new mag, considering this mag that I have now is total trash and always was from the beginning. Either way, I guess it doesn't matter if I need to load them one by one, it's easy to do.
 
my 795 has had no issue manually cycling CCI CB Longs...

equally quiet in my experiance and they have a lot more energy behind them then the mexican counterparts...
 
OK, well I got them to feed (a little). The annoying thing that I keep doing is trying to pull back the action and pull it out myself and that only leads to a "triple feed" lol, so annoying. Need to get used to taking the mag out for these, instead of trying to correct them by reaching in and trying to straighten it...
 
the "supers" are longer... like LR ??? they also make a plain Colibri that is a lighter load, & I think the same length as a 22 Long... maybe the length you get with the Supers are just not working with your mechanism, you could try a box of regulars to see if that length works for your rifle ???

I use both for my antique revolvers & in my old Stevens Crack Shot, depending on what they are chambered for
 
Marlin semi-auto .22s are tested and tuned with Remington ammunition. Start there (and try a variety of their offerings), if you're having issues.
 
super

Interestingly enough.....though I have used them in rifles and this thread is about their use in rifles....the rounds are evidently not designed for rifles.
There is a standard caution from a distributor:
These rounds are powered by the rimfire primer only. They must only be fired in handguns. If fired in rifles, the bullet may remain lodged in the barrel. Will not cycle the slide of semi-automatic handguns. Aguila packages these as Long Rifle ammunition, but they are in fact slightly shorter than a 22 Long cartridge.
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Pete
 
There is a standard caution from a distributor
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And with good reason. I have used these in rifles by way of individual hand feed, and I have had the bullet remain lodged in the barrel several times in certain rifles and have wound up having to push it out with a cleaning rod. I was well aware of the possibility before I used them, and made sure to always check for obstructions after each round. The less cautious or attentive user though could wind up with a serious problem.
 
I tried this ammo for dispatching leg trapped raccoons this year. I'm using a well worn Ruger 22/45 with 5 1/2" barrel and find this ammo will manual feed if no more than 2 rounds are in the magazine. If more rounds are loaded, the top round will either jump out of the mag lips or nosedive in the mag. This is not a big problem for my use but does require more handling of the magazine which is unhandy with muddy gloves and/or cold, wet hands.
What I did find was frequent failure to penetrate the skull of a big boar coon unless the angle of strike was close to 90*. I found some of the bullets under the skin opposite the entrance on medium sized coons.
We tried a few in a 10/22 w/o sticking any bullets but I can't say it was of any value unless absolute minimum noise is needed.
 
Yeah, I find that feeding to be pretty much true for me as well. And to be honest, I figured this round would be enough for raccoon. That's disappointing. My main game tends to be squirrels and rabbits anyway, but still...

A 20 grain bullet moving at about 550-575 fps? I guess raccoons having hard heads isn't just a myth anymore! :o
 
I don't wanna sound like a fanboi...but 29gr@710fps is more then enough for racoons. I know this from personal experiance.

I honestly dont know why anyone would bother with the colbri when you can just grab some CCI CB's and have way more energy for about the same noise. (at least from a rifle)

29grains @ 710 fps = 32.45 ft/lbs

21grains @ 550fps = 14.1 ft/lbs

There is really no comparison
 
Woah, woah, woah, WOAH. You're telling me the CB longs have THAT much energy?

I feel like a moron for buying the Super Colibris now... :o

Thanks for that information though, at least now I have something else to try and hopefully I can get it to feed with a little reliability... There's still hope! :D
 
Woah, woah, woah, WOAH. You're telling me the CB longs have THAT much energy?
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That 29 gr @710 fps quote also applies to the CCI .22 CB Short.
CCI claims the same velocity for both loads (but doesn't provide a test barrel length).
 
Having used both short and long CB's from my xt-22 i can verify that they are nearly identical. However it does appear that the longs perhapps suffer slightly in velocity.

maybe due to larger case size with the same load?

either way the difference is hardly noticable and both are a joy to shoot. The only pro to the longs is they will manually feed into most semi's... the shorts will not
 
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