Admin (non-tactical) reload

Ike666

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I am curious. Why is the preferred/recommended admin reload from slide-lock a manual rack rather than releasing from the slide-lock? I was taught this in the mid-70s and cannot remember the rationale.

I will say that it is hard-wired into me now - on the range. However, on those occasions where reloading was done under more tense conditions I realized that when I ran to slide-lock I always used the the lever rather than manually racking to load off of the fresh magazine.

Is there some mechanical reason for this recommendation? I know that on 1911a holding the trigger down while manually racking it spares some wear on the sear. But when I saw a guy go full auto using this procedure, I discontinued that practice.
 
I believe it's to train you to always use the manual method, because when you get into a stressful situation, fine motor skills diminish and it can be hard to hit the slide release. At least that's what the firearms instructors in my academy told me.
 
The method of getting the gun back into battery depends on how well you can do it in all occasions. Instructors tend to teach a method that will work on all handguns in all circumstances. The power stroke method, or hand over top, will get any semi back into service. Not all semis are designed to use the slide stop as a slide release. Glock for instance does not teach the use of the slide stop to release the slide. A 1911 is designed with a slide release.
Instructors need to teach methods that work for all, but when pressed you can get their preferred method.
 
Why not practice them both.
It always is a good idea to know how to do things every way there is.
Never can be sure which one will do the job the best.
 
I was surprised that I had practiced so much with the manual rack that in the shooting situation I "instinctively" released the slide by thumbing the lever. The pistol was an issue Browning HP that I'd run empty. I have a flash memory of thinking, "use your thumb, its faster' (or something to that effect).

My offhand palm was still up against the butt and as I was rotating the gun back to a firing position I hit the slide release and re-established my off-hand grip. Of course, those kind of memories are distorted, but it seemed very smooth to me.
 
Instructors need to teach methods that work for all, but when pressed you can get their preferred method.

While instructors tend to teach the method they believe will work best with all guns, they're sometimes just teaching their personal preferences -- and their reasons are often rationalizations (i.e., justification that may or may not be based in fact.)

Years ago, the argument against using anything but the "sling shot" release (in which the rear of the slide is grabbed like the pouch of a slingshot, and then pulled back and released) was chosen because it didn't require "FINE MOTOR SKILLS." That has been shown to be incorrect, and while it may work better for many folks, it's not because it only required "GROSS MOTOR SKILLS." It may work better because they don't give other methods much of a try! One gun mag, some years ago, did a live fire exercise, administered and supervised by an MD, in which the shooters were given injections of adrenaline/or similar (legal) stimulant and had them perform various drills.

The stimulant was used to simulate the normal shooter state when under duress, stress, or scared! It suggests that once you're stimulated, excited, alerted and your body starts into it's natural FIGHT/FLIGHT state, fine motor skills are something the instructor talks about, but in the real world they aren't all that noticeable. (Experience might make things better, as an experienced person might not roll into the FIGHT/FLIGHT state so easily.) In that exercise, people using either method had big problems. (Hand-over wasn't really talked about at the time, so we don't know how it might have fared.)

Unless they've changed again recently, the U.S. Army changed how it taught use of the M9 (and some other handguns) some years ago -- and taught the folks being trained to use the slide stop. (Note: if you can't access the slide release with the strong hand, you can use the off-hand thumb (or several fingers of the off-hand like a small claw) to hit the release. Using two or three fingers to gives you a bigger "slide-release tool" and you're less likely to miss the release or not press it completely.)

An acquaintance/instructor who worked with Special Ops troops (Special Forces, Delta, Marine Force Recon, etc.) at Ft. Bragg told me that this change was made after troops continued to have problems under combat conditions in Iraq and Afghanistan: they weren't making CLEAN releases, which meant that some of them would have to do a clearance drill or simply waste time getting the weapon running again. It was a problem probably caused by the fact that most wore gloves (due to cold temperatures in some areas, or rocky ground). Using the slide release (but not necessarily pressing it with the strong hand thumb) improved things a lot.​

Using the Hand-Over release is preferred by many to the sling shot. This works well with most guns, but when used with the M9 it may decock the weapon or turn on the safety as the slide is grabbed and released --and that happens at the worst possible time!

Using the off-hand thumb or several fingers to release the slide can be quite efficient and rapid, according to that same acquaintance/instructor mentioned above. You just bring the off hand on up after you insert the magazine. That approach will also allows you to keep the weapon at or near eye level and pointed at the target (or ready to move to another target.) For most guns, the Hand-Over method allows that too.

Both Handover and slide release methods, practiced and mastered, from last shot on target to the next shot on target, can be noticeably faster than the slingshot approach.

The slingshot method is generally taught as part of the standard clearance drill -- and you want to know HOW to do it -- and the TAP, RACK, BANG drill (or TRB), even if you don't practice it as much as other drills/skills. (You can easily use the Hand-Over method in the TRB routine, too.)

In the final analysis, you should use the method that works best for you and your choice of weapons.
 
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Im guessing that you are not asking about an "Admin load" so much as about the "best" way to let the slide go from slide lock and chamber a round. Semantics count:D

The benefit to "over the top" is that it works on all pistols. PPK's & Sig 230's dont even have an external lever to release the slide. So, if your situation has the possibility of using multiple different systems, the over the top method has merit.

Using the external lever to drop the slide is faster, by a few 1/10 of a second and also gets both hands on the pistol (in a proper grip) faster. It also is better on some pistols. Smiths and Beretta's have a tendency to have the safety engaged when going "over the top"

I disagree with the "fine motor skills" argument between methods. The very act of controlling the trigger is a fine motor skill. Practice, training and LOTS of repetition makes that an autonomic process that CAN be done under stress. Fighter pilots engaged in dogfights constantly perform fine motor skills under both mental AND physical stress.

Watch the top action shooters. Most use the slide stop lever to chamber a round and they are under stress (not a gunfight,but stress just the same).

So, IMHO, it boils down to personal preference. If you are using different guns, some with levers some without, or even some with levers in different locations (SIG), then "over the top" might be a better choice.

If you stick with one platform and TRAIN then the slide stop lever is viable.
 
Actually, I did mean a true admin reload - standing at the shooting line and reload an empty pistol to prepare to fire. I was taught the hand-over method and have used it for the better than 40 years. I'd read recently in some gun mags that "one should never let the slide advance" by using the slide-release/lock lever. Although it was not specifically stated so, the impression was that this was in some way "bad for the gun."

Don't know about that.

My reference to shooting under duress was because I was surprised that I released the slide by hitting the slide-release with my firing hand thumb (BHP). The pistol fits my hand really well and I did not otherwise disturb my grip. Afterwards my expectation was that I'd do what I'd trained to do and I didn't. Subjectively, I'll tell you that I got the gun back in action more quickly. Objectively, I don't know.

As to the best way to do it in a gun fight, that is an unlikely scenario for me now (don't go downrange anymore). However, if the situation should arise, I expect I'll just trust my instincts again.
 
Ike666 said:
I'd read recently in some gun mags that "one should never let the slide advance" by using the slide-release/lock lever. Although it was not specifically stated so, the impression was that this was in some way "bad for the gun."

Some gun writers seem to make things up as they go. If the writer can't give you a good reason for using a new DO or DON'T DO rule, you have the option of calling "BS" and reading different magazines or, at least, different writers.

On the other hand, some gun makers specifically tell you to use the slide stop when loading or reloading. I know that Kahr and CZ specifically say to do that in their manuals. (If I remember correctly, Kahr says DON'T "not" use the slide stop.) Still others say grasp the slide and pull it back and then turn it loose. So, saying never use the slide stop/release is not a rule that should be applied to all semi-autos.
 
A lot of instructors - prefer something that works on all guns ..( so the over the top grab and release is often taught )....but since I've been shooting 1911's for well over 50 yrs now - and when I was pretty young, I learned to drop the slide using the slide lock...I've been doing it that way for a long time.

I can do both methods...but my muscle memory skills tell me to use the slide lock...and I'm quicker using it by almost 0.5 sec...consistently.

So pick a method ...and train with it ....and do what suits you the best.
 
Unless they've changed again recently, the U.S. Army changed how it taught use of the M9 (and some other handguns) some years ago -- and taught the folks being trained to use the slide stop. (Note: if you can't access the slide release with the strong hand, you can use the off-hand thumb (or several fingers of the off-hand like a small claw) to hit the release. Using two or three fingers to gives you a bigger "slide-release tool" and you're less likely to miss the release or not press it completely.).
Walt, I can't speak for the Army, but that's how I was trained in the Corps back in '89, using both strong and weak hand slide release manipulation, and have used that technique ever since.

Concerning clearance drills, we were taught to grasp the slide at the front of the serrations, with our hand over the top of the barrel so that in the case of a stovepipe our hand would clear it from the chamber area while racking the slide back. Having our fingers positioned that far forward was also a preventive measure from doing exactly as many mention; that being, inadvertently engaging the safety.

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Why is the preferred/recommended admin reload from slide-lock a manual rack rather than releasing from the slide-lock?
1. Not all guns have a slide release.

2. Some guns that have a slide lock but the manufacturer recommends against using them as a release. To complicate things, at least one manufacturer recommends NOT manually racking the slide and says to always use the slide release to drop the slide and feed a round.

3. A manual rack usually provides slightly more slide energy since the slide is released from slightly farther back than if it is dropped by the slide release. This can provide added reliability. On one occasion I fired over 1000 rounds through a pistol in a range session. Towards the end of the range session , the gun got dirty enough that it would no longer chamber the first round from a full magazine if the slide release was used. However, if the slide was racked manually it operated perfectly.

4. The manual rack is considered to be a "gross motor skill" rather than a fine motor skill" and there is a school of thought which advises training that emphasizes gross motor skills rather than fine motor skills based on the information that suggests that fine motor skills become more difficult under high stress.
 
g.willikers said:
Why not practice them both.
It always is a good idea to know how to do things every way there is.
Never can be sure which one will do the job the best.
The best reason for NOT practicing both is that doing so is a recipe for failure.

We practice in order to develop both skill and familiarity. Primarily, we want to develop and fine tune muscle memory -- we want the intended action(s) to be automatic when called for. If you consistently practice two methods for accomplishing the same task, under stress there's a good chance the brain will freeze -- at least momentarily -- because it has to stop and decide which method to use. Hesitation under fire is not a good thing. Choose one method and practice that. Know how to do the other in case for some reason the primary method becomes unavailable, but don't practice both.

For an "administrative" reload? Whatever floats your boat.
 
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