I'm in the market for a highly accurate 308 rifle (to be scoped) with which I would practice on cans at ranges of 300 yards or more. Some of the choices I've come across are: the Remington 700 BDL (what's the difference between the Rem 700 variations?), the HOWA 1500 and the VEPR Super (I handled the VEPR 308 carbine today, and it is very sweet indeed). I'm under the impression that the bolt action would be more accurate than the semi auto, but would that be correct? Which of these would you folks go for? The best possible accuracy is the main goal. Thanks for your input.
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Accurate 308 for 300 yard practice
- Thread starter StephenT
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Chad Young
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The Savage 10FP or 110FP will happily shoot .5 MOA with quality match ammo and cost you under $500. Bolt actions generally have the edge in accuracy, but good .308 semi-autos, like the FAL, M1A, VEPR, etc., can be used to good effect out to 300 yards.
Remington 700 VS. in .308
I have a Remington 700 Varminter Synthetic in .308 and it works great out to 300 yards and beyond. I consistantly shoot below 1 MOA (less than 3") groups at 300 yards. I would not suggest a cheap Russian Vepyr for accuracy. Of course I could be wrong, but just thinking about a $500 Russian Semi-auto .308 does not instill the word accuracy to me. It might hit a man sized target, but you want accuracy right? I don't have any of the groups on me now, but I might post them for you later.
I have a Remington 700 Varminter Synthetic in .308 and it works great out to 300 yards and beyond. I consistantly shoot below 1 MOA (less than 3") groups at 300 yards. I would not suggest a cheap Russian Vepyr for accuracy. Of course I could be wrong, but just thinking about a $500 Russian Semi-auto .308 does not instill the word accuracy to me. It might hit a man sized target, but you want accuracy right? I don't have any of the groups on me now, but I might post them for you later.
Few semi-autos are made or designed for top accuracy. FALs, M1s and M14 clones can be made to shoot well by experts but they are designed as battle rifles. I agree that a bolt action would be the choice for top accuracy.
Almost any modern American bolt action (Remington, Savage, Winchester, Ruger) will shoot into 1 minute of angle (1" at 100 yards) with the right ammunition. Most will do better.
Jim
Almost any modern American bolt action (Remington, Savage, Winchester, Ruger) will shoot into 1 minute of angle (1" at 100 yards) with the right ammunition. Most will do better.
Jim
Stephen,
I have beeen looking to sell my Remington M700 VSSF in .308 for awhile now. I had a couple of takers but they could not come up with the $$'s to close the deal.
It WILL shoot sub MOA out to 300 yds. all day long with the right ammo and the shooter being up to the task at hand. Sub 1/2 MOA groups @ 100 yds. are the norm.
I normally use a reload using the Sierra 168gr. BTHP match bullet (#2200) loaded to 2650 fps but Federal .308M factory ammo will work well also.
It is, as I said, a Rem. M700 VSSF (varmint synthetic stainless fluted) 26" bbl. with a Leupold 6.5-20X matte finish 50mm AO w/target turrents mounted in Kelbley rings and Davidson rings from Sinclair and has a Harris bi-pod attached.
The rifle is like new and I have the original box for it.
If you are at all interested, e-mail me for further details + pics of the rifle.
I have beeen looking to sell my Remington M700 VSSF in .308 for awhile now. I had a couple of takers but they could not come up with the $$'s to close the deal.
It WILL shoot sub MOA out to 300 yds. all day long with the right ammo and the shooter being up to the task at hand. Sub 1/2 MOA groups @ 100 yds. are the norm.
I normally use a reload using the Sierra 168gr. BTHP match bullet (#2200) loaded to 2650 fps but Federal .308M factory ammo will work well also.
It is, as I said, a Rem. M700 VSSF (varmint synthetic stainless fluted) 26" bbl. with a Leupold 6.5-20X matte finish 50mm AO w/target turrents mounted in Kelbley rings and Davidson rings from Sinclair and has a Harris bi-pod attached.
The rifle is like new and I have the original box for it.
If you are at all interested, e-mail me for further details + pics of the rifle.
If you're not worried about the weight, Savage has some very nice heavy barrel rifles. I've got a .308 110FP that shoots 1/2 MOA with the factory barrel. My skinny barrel .243 110 will shoot 3/4". My .22-250 12BVSS-S (solid bottom action, stainless barrel, laminated stock) will shoot under 0.35 consistently. Only thing I've done is skim coat bed the 12, along with installing a Canjar trigger. The other two are stock.
Savages tend to be the best shooters right out of the box. You can do more to Remingtons (altho some will differ - I'm having a 6/284 barrel set up right now for my .243) to accurize them, but often Savages just don't need that sort of stuff done.
Savages tend to be the best shooters right out of the box. You can do more to Remingtons (altho some will differ - I'm having a 6/284 barrel set up right now for my .243) to accurize them, but often Savages just don't need that sort of stuff done.
Remington Bull Barrel rifles
Hey StephenT, Depending on the price, "JMC" might just have what you are looking for.
A couple of years ago a buddy of mine got a BOSS equipped M70 in 270Win. He also had a 25-06 Remington Sendero. Well, as luck would have it, he was able to "occasionally" work my hunting rifles over pretty good with my hunting bullets loaded for them. Wouldn't have been too big of a deal except for the ragging I had to endure (occasionally).
Put up with it for 3 years and finally decided to correct the situation. I got a 308Win M700VLS and put a 50mm 6.5-20x VariX-III on it. I do like the Sierra 168gr Match bullets when the BBQ Lunch is being shot for, but I also had exceptionally good luck with 168gr Hornady Match bullets. I used IMR-4064 and Fed-210M primers in R-P weight-segregated and fully prepared cases.
The rifle shot consistently in the 4s (0.400"-0.499") at 100yds and sub-MOA beyond 300yds when the trigger-yanker(me) did his part. I do believe I was the limiting factor.
One last thing, I've had access to 5 of these Bull Barreled Remingtons (223Rem & 308Win) and in each case, they all had chambers cut to SAAMI minimum standards. I've no idea if this is intended by Remington, but it sure is a huge coincidence if it isn't. That provides for less working of the case and a tighter chamber fit for folks that Neck Size.
All that said, I feel sure there are other rifles from all the makers that will do what you want with good handloads. But, it might be just a bit easier to get to where you want to be with a Bull Barrel regardless of the manufacturer. And a high power scope is a necessity for consistant long range accuracy.
Good hunting and clean 1-shot kills, Hot Core
Hey StephenT, Depending on the price, "JMC" might just have what you are looking for.
A couple of years ago a buddy of mine got a BOSS equipped M70 in 270Win. He also had a 25-06 Remington Sendero. Well, as luck would have it, he was able to "occasionally" work my hunting rifles over pretty good with my hunting bullets loaded for them. Wouldn't have been too big of a deal except for the ragging I had to endure (occasionally).
Put up with it for 3 years and finally decided to correct the situation. I got a 308Win M700VLS and put a 50mm 6.5-20x VariX-III on it. I do like the Sierra 168gr Match bullets when the BBQ Lunch is being shot for, but I also had exceptionally good luck with 168gr Hornady Match bullets. I used IMR-4064 and Fed-210M primers in R-P weight-segregated and fully prepared cases.
The rifle shot consistently in the 4s (0.400"-0.499") at 100yds and sub-MOA beyond 300yds when the trigger-yanker(me) did his part. I do believe I was the limiting factor.
One last thing, I've had access to 5 of these Bull Barreled Remingtons (223Rem & 308Win) and in each case, they all had chambers cut to SAAMI minimum standards. I've no idea if this is intended by Remington, but it sure is a huge coincidence if it isn't. That provides for less working of the case and a tighter chamber fit for folks that Neck Size.
All that said, I feel sure there are other rifles from all the makers that will do what you want with good handloads. But, it might be just a bit easier to get to where you want to be with a Bull Barrel regardless of the manufacturer. And a high power scope is a necessity for consistant long range accuracy.
Good hunting and clean 1-shot kills, Hot Core
Let me stick in my .02 for an accurate rifle suggestion. Perhaps the rifle gods were in a good mood when mine was built, but I'm looking at a paper plate (cheap shooter's friend) with a 0.817", 3 round group fired at 200 meters. This, by my unfuzzy math, works out to 0.371 MOA. The rifle? A box-stock, barely broken-in Tikka All-Weather in .308 Win. Synthetic stock, all stainless steel, about 7 1/2 lbs with scope. The ammo was Georgia Arms 168 grain Match.
The down side? It bears the stigma of low price ($575.00) and doesn't look particularly "tactical".
Henry
The down side? It bears the stigma of low price ($575.00) and doesn't look particularly "tactical".
Henry
Thanks for all the responses and excellent advice, folks. I'll definitely go with a bolt action. I've done some research on the web, and right now I'm tilting toward either a Savage Tactical 110, a Tikka Continental Varmint or the Sako TRG22, all in 308. Which one will it be?