accidental shooting at school

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Read the news today about the accidental shooting at a CA. school. Seems a young boy had a weapon (didn't say if pistol or revolver) in his backpack. When he tossed the pack on his desk(?), the weapon discharged injuring two students.

Terrible accident and I pray the two young people come through okay. But I want to know what the weapon was. Has anyone heard more????
 
Whatever happened to teaching kids that firearms are tools and that they have a time and a place? Our 12 year old knows how to shoot (he learned through the 4H shooting sports program) and he knows that guns do not belong in school. He also knows that a trip to Hell would be more comfortable than dealing with us when he came home.

We were all raised with firearms, we were all raised knowing their place and usage. What has happened to educating our children to use and respect guns?
 
Exactly. For this to be left explained as an accident is asinine. Especially at 17 years old. The fact that he even had a gun in his bag, that he then took to school, takes the accidental factor completely out of it.

He might as well been holding the gun in my eyes. Some peoples kids these days
 
I am in NO WAY supporting a 17yr old bringing a weapon of any kind to school... BUT...

with all the crazy stuff you see on the news these days, it's hard to expect a kid to go to school and truly feel "safe". Obviously, toting a gun in your backpack won't get you anything but major trouble... but I could almost see where a kid might be tempted to carry a weapon out of fear for his / her personal safety.

Just a thought.
 
Whatever happened to teaching kids that firearms are tools and that they have a time and a place?
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I know it is hard to imagine, but kids do not always use the best judgment, even when they are properly educated. Anyone with kids can tell you that there comes a time when kids think they know more than their parents or that they know enough to not have a problem when that just isn't the case.

Ever see teenagers drive when they are trying to impress their friends?

We were all raised with firearms, we were all raised knowing their place and usage. What has happened to educating our children to use and respect guns?
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Aside from the fact that kids don't always do the right things, have you considered how many adults you have seen doing stupid things with guns? We have had several threads on this forum discussing adults who leave guns in bathrooms, have NDs in all sorts of place, who shoot other hunters, etc.
 
When he tossed the pack on his desk(?), the weapon discharged injuring two students.
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Sort like the "I was cleaning it and it went off" story. As we know, guns don't "go off" when you clean them, and they don't "go off" when you toss the container they're in onto a desk. People come up with these stories because "I was fooling around with it and it went off" makes them sound too much like dumb asses.

with all the crazy stuff you see on the news these days, it's hard to expect a kid to go to school and truly feel "safe".
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I don't disagree with the statement, but it's the result of media hype. The data show that kids are safer in school than just about anywhere else (certainly much safer than when they're at home), and schools are safer now than in the past.
 
with all the crazy stuff you see on the news these days, it's hard to expect a kid to go to school and truly feel "safe".
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Especially when there's jackasses carrying loaded firearms in their backpacks.
 
Hes already been in trouble or fighting at school. So it seems kids would want to take guns to school to get back at this kid...
 
There is so little info available that it is hard to judge, but I suppose it is remotely possible that if the firearm was in a jumble of other stuff in the kid's backpack, without a holster, and either without a safety or without it activated, another object in the backpack could activate the trigger.
 
Gun should'nt have been in the back pack in the first place.

Gun should'nt have been where the child could easily get it to take it.

Child should have parented enough to understand if he ever takes it-the parents will be calling the law on him as well as the ambulance he'll need after the beating he'll get when he comes home.

No accident.

Stupid kid handling a loaded firearm in a stupid way in a place where it has no place being in his possession anyway without parental supervision and it being unloaded.

Burn this kid and his parents so that they all understand-never-ever do this again or it's jail time for all of them.
 
While not condoning the boys actions, how can we expect someone to know something that they've never been taught? IOW, where were the parents when junior started packing and how is that he didn't know enough to not take a gun to school in this day & age? Or how to handle it without shooting anyone. This is on the parents in my mind.
 
Entirely possible, and plausible to me...

17 yr old has gun at school. 1st wrong thing. Gun is loaded. 2nd wrong thing. Loaded gun in backpack. 3rd Wrong thing. Gun fires when backpack is dropped on desk. 4th wrong thing. Student ditches backpack. 5th wrong thing. Surrenders to police. 1st right thing.

and they don't "go off" when you toss the container they're in onto a desk.
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It might if the gun is loose in the backpack (along with other stuff) and is one of the models that have a "safety" on the trigger. It is entirely plausible that something else in the backpack could have pulled the trigger when the bag was dropped/tossed on the desk.

I read three of the reports on the shooting, and if the facts are as claimed, that the gun went off when the bag was dropped, it would be an accidental discharge, (actually negligent) in the sense that the kid did not intend to shoot, or aim at any one. Yes, he is certainly responsible, but the shooting was apparently not a deliberate act.

A gun like a GLock, not in a holster or case, loose in a backpack with books, pencils, pens, and whatever else a teenage boy might stuff in there, with a round in the chamber, could certainly be discharged in the manner described.

The news reports conflict in some degree, one report saying he took the gun out of the pack and pointed it, one saying the bag was dropped on the floor, another says on a desk. Three reported injured, reduced to two struck by the same bullet, one in the neck, the other in the head. Also saying the kid ditched the backpack (apparently with friends help, as it is reported two more kids were arrested), and police have not recovered the backpack. They did recover the gun.

It matters not to me why the 17yr old had the gun, he is responsible for the shooting. The fact that the gun went off in an unplanned manner does not absolve him at all.

And before we get all set to burn the kid and the parents, we need to know if the parents were actually negligent in letting him access the gun. Right now, nobody is saying where the gun came from. Even if it did belong to his parents, if he stole it from them, I don't see them as responsible. Parents can teach, and take every possible precaution, and still have their children deliberately do wrong things. The parents may be at fault. THey may not be, we just don't know that...yet.
 
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