A Very Dumb Question

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warbirdlover

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that I "think" I know the answer to but just in case.....

I know what a "set" trigger is, and a single stage trigger but is a "double stage" trigger like on the old military rifles where you have to pull it a ways to reach the stiffer "fire" zone? And like the Savage accutrigger you move the center part of the trigger before you get to the "here it goes!" part of the trigger pull occurs? If so, I hate double stage triggers. :( I like the good old Timney or Jewel type single stage triggers with none of that BS. Reason I ask is that I was looking at the specs on the new Vanguard S2 and it has a two stage trigger.

Learn me!!! Thanks.

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Looks like you already know it all ;). Two stage triggers give you some clear travel at lower resistance to make sure you realize you're about to fire. Helpful when you're wearing gloves as pressure alone might not be too noticeable when standing in a -30F Siberian blizzard.
 
The good news is:

I believe your description of a 2 stage trigger is correct. The bad news is I think your are right about the S2 having a 2 stage trigger.

The BEST news is you can purchase a Timney trigger for that S2 that will adjust down to 1.5 lbs and BREAK LIKE GLASS!!!!!!!:D

The Timney trigger runs about $100 but is worth every penney if you like a really clean break and easy weight adjustment.

P.S. There are no dumb questions!!!!!!!!!
 
I've had Timney's on a couple rifles years ago and they are the nicest improvement you can make. I'm sure Jewel and others are good also but only have experience with Timneys. I'm actually very happy with the X-Mark Pro trigger on my new Remington. At least the one on my rifle is good. Dropped down to 3 lbs. pull just like they said it would and breaks like glass. Fixed my Ruger 77 Mk II trigger this month also by putting in the lighter spring they sell for it.

I wasn't going to buy a Vanguard S2, just was curious about the difference between that and last years models from discussion in another thread.
 
I also hate 2 stage triggers. Ruger might have got some of my money for their predator rifle a while back until I saw it had that 2 stage trigger.

My buddy has a mk2 target and it has hands down the lousiest trigger I've ever felt on a rifle.
 
I have never used a 2 stage trigger but I have heard a lot of people swear by them, especially for target shooting. I guess I will find out what I think tomorrow when I pick up my RRA Lower with 2 stage trigger. The ones I have heard most about have something like a 3 1/2lb take up and than 1 lb break.
 
RRA two stage trigger (listed as match grade) is indeed sweet.

I think the chorme one is smoother than the non chrome.

It was so nice my brohter bought one and replaced the Giesele trigger in his AR after he shot mine in the RRA!

Me, I am fairly neutral on the subject. Not an issue either way.
 
The center part of an Accutrigger is really a safety that blocks the thing that the sear releases from traveling far enough to release the final sear that holds back the striker in the bolt.

Can anyone explain to me why the Accutrigger is not a set trigger? You have to cock this trigger with a cocking lever that's on the side of the action.
 
The ruger m77 v/t model rifle has a two stage trigger....a fully adjustable two stage trigger. I have timney triggers in several rifles and I like them very much. After adjusting the factory triggers in my two v/t models I would say they are comparable in performance. As for preference for or against a two stage, it seems to depend on the brand of rifle. Regardless of interior mechanical processes the accutrigger is basically a two stage trigger and people love it. Any other brand two stage trigger will be quickly disregarded as "junk" by those same people. YMMV.
 
I have never used a 2 stage trigger but I have heard a lot of people swear by them, especially for target shooting.
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Some competition rules require a minimum trigger pull weight, in particular NRA Service Rifle and CMP EIC matches.

If the rules say your trigger has to be at least 4.5 lbs, then you really want a 2 stage trigger. because a 4.5 lb 2 stage doesn't feel like 4.5 lbs. It feels like whatever the weight of the second stage is. The Jewel in my service rifle it feels like about 1.5 lbs. That is a huge difference over a 4.5 lb single stage.
 
Am I wrong in my understanding of a two stage trigger in that the first stage or take up stage is usually the heavier pull and the second stage is the lighter pull weight?
 
The ones I have heard most about have something like a 3 1/2lb take up and than 1 lb break.
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It's more like a 1 lbs take up and a 3.5 lbs break. The Accutrigger center post is a safety not a two stage no creep and no over travel.

Jim
 
Am I wrong in my understanding of a two stage trigger in that the first stage or take up stage is usually the heavier pull and the second stage is the lighter pull weight?
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Kind of, the object of the two stage and the Accutrigger is that you ARE at the BREAK and the next sound you hear will be the rifle going off when you move your finger.

Jim
 
I just read several accounts of the RRA National Match two stage trigger and they all say the same thing. You have approximately 3lb take up and then 1.5lb break. The have two different sears and the first sear is the heavier of the two. I don't really know what the accutrigger has to do with it since it is not a 2 stage trigger at all. The spring loaded device in the trigger shoe is just a type of safety device. The accutriger is a single stage trigger.
 
I much prefer two stage triggers.Much more precise for me to know when the trigger is going to "break".
 
I have Timney triggers in my 3 AR platforms and the 2 stage trigger in my M1A.

Both types are good but I am really liking the 2 stage trigger in the M1A.

Geetarman:D
 
^^ You sure did Jim. I think there is a bit of confusion abut what a 2 stage trigger is. My understanding is that a true 2 stage allows for a longer movement at lower resistance followed by a shorter, but stiffer stage right before the breaking point. The purpose is to have a more predictable moment of fire based on the feel of the trigger as it moves from stage 1 to stage 2. All of the motion of both stages is in the trigger itself, though, as opposed to what is seen in the Accutrigger and others of its kind. They are more akin to the trigger saftey on a Glock. All they do is keep the trigger from tripping unless the safety is fully depressed, which makes it safer to have extremely light triggers.
If my info on this is incorrect, then by all means, chime in and correct me.
 
Yes Jim, I quess you did say that, you just confused me by mentioning it in the same sentence with the two stage trigger. I just picked up the RRA Lower with two stage NM trigger and you are right, the take up feels like no pull weight at all and the break doesn't seem to be more than about 2lbs to me but, having always used single stage triggers it is a little different. At any rate, I think I will like this trigger just fine. My other lower has a JP trigger and speed hammer (single stage 3.5lb) and other than that first take up stage in the RRA they feel about the same. I don't know what those people were talking about that said it had a 3lb take up and 1.5lb break cause it is clearly the other way around if anything.
 
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