A thinker

Roger that, Hube.

The bear went over the mountain, I repeat;
The bear went over the mountain.

Four score and seven years, I repeat;
Four score and seven years.

John Henry was a steel-drivin' man, I repeat;
John Henry was a steel-drivin' man.

Over...

(That'll keep 'em guessin') ;)
 
Roger that green'swoman

The Pearl is in the River,
A flute without holes is not a flute.
A donout without holes is a danish.
 
Please deliver this message to the Special Agent in Charge:

"A wet bird never flies at night"

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You have to be there when it's all over. Otherwise you can't say "I told you so."

Better days to be,

Ed
 
I'm willing to bet we've had "Federal" visitors here since day one.

That said,

The hen has left the foxhole.
I repeat--
The hen has left the foxhole.
 
... Wound my heart with a monotonous languor.

[This message has been edited by Dennis (edited July 25, 2000).]
 
For our Friends in the Northeast......
Dogs have fleas
Albert is a brick
Ducks have flat feet



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Ne Conjuge Nobiscum
"If there be treachery, let there be jehad!"
 
Related to this issue, I really have been meaning to get PGP encryption for email. The problem is who to exchange email with who also uses it.

Why does anyone need strong encryption? What do you have to hide?

Nothing. And because I can. ;)
 
I've been encrypting my e-mail for some time now. I recommend PGP 5.0 to anyone who wants to tweak the feds a little bit. It's fun!

One of these days I'm gonna put up my public key segment on a website. One of these days...

Later,
Chris



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"TV what do I see, tell me who to believe, what's the use of autonomy when a button does it all??" - Incubus, Idiot Box
 
I probably shouldn't add this, but...

I think this would be an appropriate place, but...

Well, this has always been hard for me...

you know, to say:

I slit a sheet, a sheet I slit. Upon the slitted sheet I sit.


Whew! :) I feel much better now. -Dave
 
FBI man -

Do you know that Clinton is a liar?

Do you know that he doesn't honor his oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States?

...just wondering

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NRA Life Member
Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners(MCRGO)
 
Hube, I'll be there on Saturday.

ObCarnivore: "So me and the other members of my MILITIA CELL took our UNREGISTERED FULL-AUTO AK-47s and UZIs to the range the other day to blow away some JACKBOOTED THUG TARGETS. Problem is that we didn't have enough AMMO or money to buy some, so we SOLD SOME OF THE CRACK that we keep around for financial emergencies. Hey, do you know where we can get a few 50-lb PROPANE BOMBS, um, I mean, TANKS?"

[This message has been edited by Coinneach (edited July 26, 2000).]
 
Carnivore bugs the heck out of me, but it also intrigues me, because I didn't understand how it works. One can easily write a "sniffer" program that listens in on any traffic, but I wondered how it can listen in on ALL traffic.

It can't. You see, a sniffer can only see what is going by, and all traffic doesn't travel the same route. So, the best that Carnivore could do is place one of these units (Carnivore is not just software, it's hardware too) on each of the major transfer points in the US (like Mae-West), but then it has to look at EVERYTHING. That's a daunting task, but even if we assume that Carnivore is a massive machine with RAID arrays to the ceiling, it STILL can't grab everything because Internet data is packetized. If the feds are looking for keywords, and you place the keyword at the end of the message, it is too late to start grabbing. So, in order to get complete messages, the have to grab and store EVERYTHING. Forget it, that ain't gonna happen.

The information provided on their web site makes sense... and that is that they use ISPs like telcos and place a Carnivore unit at the ISP. That greatly limits the traffic they have to listen to, and they can even hone in on a specific IP.

If Carnivore is listening to this board, it means there's a unit at TFL's ISP. 10-4?

A bird in the woods is worth six in the dish.

[This message has been edited by Mikul (edited July 26, 2000).]
 
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."

The owl flies at night and the walrus is a Beetle...
:)

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The first step is registration, the second step is confiscation, the final step is subjugation.
 
So which is the fraud?

_____________________________________________
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2000 15:35:00 -0600 (CST)
To: cypherpunks@cyberpass.net
Subject: What is the name of Freehs mother ?
From: Anon User <noreply@securenym.net>

Usenet has better S/N that cpunks these days.


Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:48:01 -0400
From: "Black Hat One" <anonymous@cotse.com>
Subject: THE BLACK HAT UPDATE- CARNIVORE DOES NOT EXIST
Newsgroups: alt.privacy


THE BLACK HAT UPDATE
First the news

CARNIVORE DOES NOT EXIST

Carnivore does not exist, that is right, there is no such
program. This whole thing has been a scam by the
FBI to test public reaction to an actual program
they will be soon testing.

Great lengths went into publicizing Carnivore right
down to selecting a name that would trigger the
most public outrage.

Everything you have seen up to this point has been
for your entertainment, and to reveal to the feds what
problems they might encounter when they launch
their real program.


--- end forwarded text
 
Mikul-
I can't guarantee it, but I'm a fairly large shareholder in our ISP host. I'm also on the Board of Directors.

Ain't seen any suits around yet.
Rich
 
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