A slight beef with 'gun recommendation' threads

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chris in va

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I'll keep this short and sweet.

Before a gun and equipment get bought, the new shooter needs to get a safety class under their belt.

IMO it's irresponsible to not make this priority #1 when bringing a new gun owner into the fold. Too many people are waving these things around, oblivious to the dangers and laws surrounding gun ownership.

If classes are unavailable, at the very least suggest an experienced person show them the ropes. But I'm seeing a noticeable lack of this in the replies.

Thank you, carry on.:)
 
Feel better now?

While I agree that basic safety lessons are a must for any new shooter, IMO when a newbie asks an equipment question, it is not always necessary to beat him/her with the safety stick first.
 
I still haven't recovered from my first safety stick beating.


but then again I shot the guy afterwards.


in the groin.


with a .45
 
This must be for those who are just starting out:

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+1 to Creature's first post. Please just answer the questions. I bought the gun first. I learned safety and even more that I wanted to know from boards like this. If I'd been browbeat at the beginning I'd probably have given up the hobby before the hook set.

P.S. I know I've only got 31 posts...but don't dismiss me as a newbie. I lurked for years and belonged to other boards longer.
 
I think there is a lot of people who have bought guns in this bad rush to buy that is lucky to know what end the bullet comes out:eek: I think you are going to see a lot of accidental shootings on the rise and we are all going to suffer for it in the long run???????
 
I'm with Chris. Coming to an internet gun forum and asking for a recommendation on what kind of gun to get is sort of like going to an internet dating site and asking for recommendations on who your wife should be. IMO the standard advice should be to get some training and experience, then you're better able to focus your question AND better able to decide what recommendations are appropriate for you.
 
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I agree with Creature and berettaprofessor. The incessant "nannying" is distracting and insulting to adults especially when those who deem themselves more responsible than everyone else by mere existence and ill-conceived perception have no idea of the totality of the situation or the nature and background of person they are responding; furthermore, it is not related to the query at hand.

Just answer the question.

Explanation of the answer is nice and always appreciated.
 
I watched a guy put a frozen turkey in a propane powered deep fryer. Anyone ever read the instructions, it says right there on the box to thaw the turkey completely. Gawd I love that commercial.
 
Classes.... Nice but not really necessary IMO. I can go take a class and forget 99.9% of it before I leave the classroom. Experience is what counts in my book. And lets face it, some folks are too stupid to operate firearms classes or no.

And while we are at it, let me just get on a soapbox about all these tactical training facilities. Totally overblown unless your going to go work for Blackwater. There are too many "tactical" mall ninjas running around already in Khaki BDUs and nine kinds of combat harnesses.

I mean every time I pick up a new gun magazine I have to look at ads with Clint whats-his-name from Thunderdome Ranch or whatever on just about every page now. Usually, with double akimbo revolvers doing fire and movement drills or some other ridiculousness. It makes us all look like tools IMO.

Classes are great, but what the hell ever happened to just shooting for fun or target practice?

Anyways, I said my speel. Flames on.
 
Over the past 35 years of teaching DNR Youth Firearms Safety Classes, I have had many adults take the class with their kids, or just come in alone to learn safety.
The DNR only charges $7.00 for the class, and I give the adults much credit to take the time to learn safe handling.

I also run three Pistol Leagues, and I am asked to help all of the time on shooting, and safe handling of folks pistols.

Most people, when they buy a firearm do their best to learn safety if they haven't been around guns very much.

We need more shooters amongst us, and not discouraging people by talking down to them, but showing respect while giving safety advise, will only strengthen pro-guners like us guys and gals when the antis come after us.

Eric
 
I agree with Creature and berettaprofessor. The incessant "nannying" is distracting and insulting to adults especially when those who deem themselves more responsible than everyone else by mere existence and ill-conceived perception have no idea of the totality of the situation or the nature and background of person they are responding; furthermore, it is not related to the query at hand.

Just answer the question.

Explanation of the answer is nice and always appreciated.
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Yep. And if the person has enough forethought to post a question on a board like this, they will likely apply the same forethought to safety. Its the yahoo who just walks into a gun shop and buys the biggest gun in the case that you need to worry about. But if you are not careful, we will ALL be required to attend annual expensive training sessions just to own a firearm. Shhhhh.
 
If someone says they never fired a gun and want a gun for HD, we see all kinds of silly things like

12 Gauge - enuf said.

45 ACP - the man stopper.

So telling them to try different guns first and take a class is reasonable if done politely.

If they need to buy a gun immediately for some imminent danger - like crazed abusive husband - then a reasonable SW Model 10 with a milder SD load is fine. Not 12 gauge ENUF SAID!

Then take a class.
 
Isn't that the way you do it?

...... is sort of like going to an internet dating site and asking for recommendations on who your wife should be.
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Who else would you ask? The local friendly gun shop and sporting goods store is not as available as it used to be....

By the way, there's these two girls that seem to like me....
 
Context is everything, and courtesy goes a long way. Attempting to conflate kindness with knowledge and safety, or brevity with ignorance and irresponsibly is an example of the nanny attitude that is insulting to those who are adults or are better informed. More so to those who are both.

Bugs can see where this leads. This type of attitude is what demands licensing for inalienable rights. Just because one adult somewhere thinks some other adult needs some basic supervision or training or they may hurt themselves knowing nothing about them. Nice and thoughtful, but it's entirely up to the adult to seek or ask for it.
 
I don't think that these recommendations need to be exclusive. It's easy to throw in a line such as be sure the get some safety instruction - like an NRA class while still addressing the person's inquiry.
 
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