A Safety Issue With My Nazi Hi Power.

davidh5000

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I have a Nazi Hi Power that when you put the safety on and pull the trigger it's fine. However, when you take the safety off the hammer falls!!! It's an older one that originally had a magazine safety that was removed. I have never seen this happen before. I was wondering if anyone would have an idea what would cause this to happen. It's a really nice tangent sight model with commercial blued finish, so I definitely want to fix it
 
What causes the High Power safety to fail? Well, if it has Waffenamt proof marks it's not a High Power, it's a P35. The safety failing as you described is usually a poorly executed trigger job or just wear of the sear or hammer notch. You can buy P35 sear and hammer sets and fit them. If you don't know how, its time to visit the gunsmith.
 
That problem is not limited to the HP .The Challenger and other brands I have seen the problem !! It needs a competent gunsmith to fix it !!
The first time it happened to me was a shocker and I've been checking all guns for that problem !
 
It certainly can happen to any guns. Too bad you can't sue the Nazi for money as in the case of Remington 700. It is not difficult to fix if you know how to. But don't try if you don't. You could be the one being sued.

-TL
 
What Scorch says about replacing parts will save you a lot of time and mucking about.
The hammer fall all the way or just to half cock? Just curious. Still a worn or damaged sear. $31.80 at Gunparts. Spur hammer runs $71.80. Round spur $105.55.
"...can't sue the Nazi..." Nope. Wouldn't be them anyway. It'd be the FN workies sabotaging the stuff they were forced to make.
 
It only falls to the half cock position. I'm really hoping that nothing is wrong with the hammer and it doesn't need replacing. This gun is all original and it would be a shame to have a new hammer hanging off the back of it.
 

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Don't pull the trigger with the safety engaged
Consider that the safety has been designed to keep the gun from inadvertently firing. If the trigger were somehow depressed by some method unbeknownst to the shooter and he takes the safety off...boom, and accidental discharge. All guns when newly acquired should have the safety applied and the trigger pulled (empty gun), to see if the hammer is going to fall...it is just a matter of good safety practice.
 
"...can't sue the Nazi..." Nope. Wouldn't be them anyway. It'd be the FN workies sabotaging the stuff they were forced to make.

Not everyone was with the resistance back in the day in Europa, even everybody claimed so when Germans were out. There were plenty of willful collaborators. Even if they were sabotaging, it would be done in more subtle ways, such as heat treat. The Germans were not dump. Even they were, the Nazi would be sued if they were still around today. They would be the only who had money. They should have known all workers at their factories were trying to screw with their gun's quality, and they let it happen.

-TL
 
Consider that the safety has been designed to keep the gun from inadvertently firing. If the trigger were somehow depressed by some method unbeknownst to the shooter and he takes the safety off...boom, and accidental discharge. All guns when newly acquired should have the safety applied and the trigger pulled (empty gun), to see if the hammer is going to fall...it is just a matter of good safety practice.
Doing it once to test the function is fine.

Doing it repeatedly seems pointless since you shouldn't be pulling the trigger when you don't want it to fire.
 
Just FYI, wartime BHPs were often sabotaged, the major method being to bypass or mess up the heat treatment, leaving parts, even frames or slides, soft so they would work long enough to pass inspection and proof firing but jam or hang up after only a few shots. (Workers who were caught engaging in sabotage got a different and final view of the front of a gun.)

The distinction between the Browning High Power and the P.640 (b)* is mostly pedantic. The latter was the terminology used by the Germans, but the only real difference was elimination of the magazine safety, and the Germans seized and used the pistols without regard to markings. The standard tangent sight was used on the early occupation pistols, but later dropped for the plain rear sight which had also been used earlier. Pistols in the factory at the time of the occupation might or not have been marked to reflect the new ownership. Standard slide markings were used throughout the war, possibly because FN was actually purchased by a German company.

*The German designation of the BHP in any configuration.

Jim
 
Before purchasing any replacement parts, take the gun fully down (detail strip) and CLEAN everything. Reassemble and see if the problem still exists.

SOMETHING is keeping the sear from resetting correctly and holding the hammer at full cock. It may be worn or broken parts. It most probably is, BUT, it MAY also be a bit of crud that has been lurking inside the gun for 40 years, but NOW is in a position to interfere with function.

Stranger things have happened.

Also you will be able to visually inspect the parts for obvious wear/damage.

Once you (or other competent person) has done that, and the problem still exists, THEN you should think about replacement parts

Good Luck!
 
Two things to remember. If the parts are soft, no "fix" will really hold up. Sabotaged parts seemed to come in batches; if one part was bad, chances were that other parts were as well. Also, the BHP trigger-sear connection involves the slide, so can be affected by the fitting of the slide to the frame, an uncommon setup not found on other pistols like the Colt or P.38.

Jim
 
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