A question about firearms registration

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The only way I will find out this answer is to ask questions..so here goes...
Do we currently have federal registration of firearms? I was having a discussion today and was told that the fed gov keeps track of all the guns purchased presently. I know( I have purchased handguns in the past 2 years) that the background check is done by phone and that I fill out the federal forms...but is this entered into a fed database?

I thought the fed background check is just letting the retailer know if it checks out ok.....

Thanks in advance...
 
Do we currently have federal registration of firearms?
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No. I think the best way to describe it is that we have de facto federal registration of firearms purchased from FFLs. It's no secret that the feds routinely go around collecting 4473s.
 
Not an active registration as you have to provide information for that purpose. However on New Years Eve of 2003 it was reported, the FBI went to all of the motels in Las Vegas, and demanded list of all persons registered. If they would collect this type of information why wouldn't they also keep records of every FFL that comes across?
 
NFA weapons are registered because tax is required to be paid on them. Title I weapons, however, aren't truly registered. As other people have mentioned, FFL holders are required to keep the 4473s for all weapons they sell and the ATF can peruse these at thier leisure. However there are no 4473s in private sales and you can always build your weapon without reporting it to the ATF as long as it isn't a type restricted by the NFA and you're not building guns to make a profit in resale.
 
I can't tell you how many hours are spent on shredding 4473's over twenty years old. And the corresponding sales receipts. I've witnessed it on several occasions. Thousands of them at the time. FFL holders are not required to hold 4473's after twenty years.

Not that it matters much, as the bound record book (which contains similar information) is kept (on premises) as long as the FFL holder is in business and surrendered upon going out of business (or if the FFL does not renew).

NICS can't keep records on purchases, according to the statutes. So, in essence, there is no national database as yet.

The lack of a database will not hinder them.
 
Do we have registration? Does a bear offload feces in the woods??

Do we currently have federal registration of firearms?
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By law, is there supposed to be? No. In reality, is there? YES.

Ask yourself:
-Why all the NICS checks?
-Why all the 4473's??
-Why does each FFL have to grant unlimited access to his 4473's and their
bound logbook to BATFE on demand?
-Why does each FFL have to submit their bound logbllk and all 4473's less
than 20 years old upon closing up shop??

Answer: For a reason. That reason being the creation of a registry of gun owners and what guns they own, plain and simple.

Yes, you can get around it by buying from an individual, not a FFL holder. How many of us buy ONLY by means of a person to person sale? Damned few, I'll wager.

Face it, folks - the BATFE is like Santa: "Making a list and checking it twice," the lawfulness of such action be damned. :mad:
 
Does that mean I can Never sell it?
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You'd have to ask the ATF.

From thier FAQ:

(A7) Does the GCA prohibit anyone from making a handgun, shotgun or rifle? [Back]


With certain exceptions a firearm may be made by a nonlicensee provided it is not for sale and the maker is not prohibited from possessing firearms.
However, a person is prohibited from making a semiautomatic assault weapon or assembling a nonsporting semiautomatic rifle or nonsporting shotgun from
imported parts. In addition, the making of an NFA firearm requires a tax payment and approval by ATF. An application to make a machinegun will not be
approved unless documentation is submitted showing that the firearm is being made for a federal or state agency. [18 U. S. C. 922( o), (r), (v), and 923, 27 CFR 178.39, 178.40, 178.41 and 179.105]
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But then, there's Raich, which if applied to this area could change things from what the ATF used to believe.
 
(A7) Does the GCA prohibit anyone from making a handgun, shotgun or rifle? [Back]


With certain exceptions a firearm may be made by a nonlicensee provided it is not for sale and the maker is not prohibited from possessing firearms.
However, a person is prohibited from making a semiautomatic assault weapon or assembling a nonsporting semiautomatic rifle or nonsporting shotgun from
imported parts. In addition, the making of an NFA firearm requires a tax payment and approval by ATF. An application to make a machinegun will not be
approved unless documentation is submitted showing that the firearm is being made for a federal or state agency. [18 U. S. C. 922( o), (r), (v), and 923, 27 CFR 178.39, 178.40, 178.41 and 179.105]
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So, I can make a gun for my own personal use?

Are legal gun owners allowed to make their own weapons, for personal use, with no need to notify the BATF? Could somebody with a machine shop just whip up a gun, legally, whenever they want?
 
JR,

People do it all the time. Prime example is the AK-47. You can buy an %80 receiver (no FFL required) and a parts kit and build one. You have to comply with 922(r) though. No one has to know about it and its perfectly legal. I am starting a project, a Romanian, I am only waiting on the parts kit now. (got everything else)
 
Wow! That changes everything.

I guess the Smithy flyer that came with my Midway order was an omem. :)

Thanks guys, gota go, much to learn....
 
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