A possible response to those souls pushing gun control.

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alan

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The following applies to legislators as well as private citizens.

If gun control proposals are so great, and gun control, when and where enacted is so effective, and or otherewise worthwhile having, then please explain to me how come Washington, D.C. is such a mess, including a quite recent declaration of a CRIME EMERGENCY there.

I might be missing a salient point somewhere, but there seems to be something of a disconnect, actually one hell of a disconnect, between theory and practice. How come?

Having put the question, say thanks for the attention, and indicate that you are now listening.
 
You're preaching to the choir, Alan. DC has been a crime infested craphole for years, despite its virtual ban on any type of firearm ownership by a citizen. Of course, the anti-gun response (as we've more recently seen by NYC's Mayor Bloomberg) is that the gun-related crime in their cities is caused by the inflow of guns from other states. They conveniently forget, however, that its even a crime to bring those guns in from other states, so why would a criminal turn in, or relinquish their weapons even if those anti-gun whack-jobs like Bloomberg got their way and banned all guns in all states? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize only the law abiding will be disarmed.

The "crime emergency", however, reminds me of something I saw on the news last night. Apparently there were 7 murders in Philly yesterday, bringing the year's total to something like 400 for the city. State legislators from Philly were urging Gov. Rendell to declare a state of emergency and send in the state police and the PA National Guard to help restore order. Maybe I'm reading too much into the recent use of the word "emergency" as it relates to crime and gun control, but we all saw how gun owners were treated in another type of emergency in New Orleans.

A few years ago anti-gunners tried to frame the issue of gun ownership and gun related crime as an 'epidemic' and even the CDC weighed into the gun control debate. Perhaps we now seeing them start to reframe the issue as one of a public emergency.
 
Shaggy hit the nail on the head.

They blame "lax" laws in nearby states like Virginia for the woes of D.C. Obviously if we passed "just one more special law" :barf: then D.C. would become a crime free utopia where people smiled all the time, opened doors for each other and leave their doors unlocked.

You see, according to the anti-gun zealots, the only reason gun control doesn't stop "gun crimes" in places like D.C., NYC, Chicago, etc. is that gun laws in other places are "too lax", so they want a D.C. or NYC type law everywhere.

I wonder how many of Philly's 400 homicide victims were gang members or involved in other illegal activities?
 
Given that Virginia still has it's own One Gun A Month Law, they haven't junked it, have threy, how many guns could be coming into DC from Virginia anyhow. Of course, then there is the fact that transporting these guns across a state line, into DC is of and in itself, a violation of the law.

Have criminals started obeying, even selectively, any law?

Shaggy:

As to my Preaching to the Choir, perhaps so, however I have, more than once, seen and heard fellow gun owners and shooters shrug and re the antics of the antis give voice to the following. Oh well, they will get them anyway. Seems as if that part of the choir could stand some preaching to.
 
When you get right down to basics, and the facts, it is a given fact that any law on the books in the United States, that restricts or a better word infringes, upon the rights of the PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS, if in fact a violation of the Constitution of these United States, which prohibits such acts to occure, yet there they are LAWS Infringing on our rights Garenteed by the Bill of Rights, how do this happen I wonder?
 
Kelly, it happens because RKBA is an abstraction, while criminals are solid reality. Unfortunately, the sheeple don't see the one as the means to defeat the other; rather, they see the one as allowing the other to exist.
 
My standard response has been: "If you really believe in gun control, then post 'Gun-Free Zone' signs in your front windows. Otherwise, if you have no confidence in your convictions, why should I?"

In over 10 years, I've never known ANY anti-gunner to take up that idea. Not one. Gee, I wonder if they're afraid of crime.
 
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