A Poll, Just a Poll, no need to respond.

The premise: A form of democracy can be started in Iraq, will it make the US safer?

  • Yes, a good ally, and freedom will start to change the Middle East.

    Votes: 11 8.9%

  • Yes, but it will be very hard to accomplish, and it might not last long.

    Votes: 20 16.1%

  • Maybe, but a lot of outside factors will have to line up as well.

    Votes: 35 28.2%

  • No, even if a democracy forms they will still have fear and distrust towards the US.

    Votes: 14 11.3%

  • No, a democracy will be so short lived it will be worse after it falls.

    Votes: 39 31.5%

  • Unknown.

    Votes: 5 4.0%
  • Total voters
    124
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TwoXForr

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Just wanted to throw this up for a quick count. No need to justify your response or start an argument or disscussion, I think that is being done quite well in the other current threads.

Please read the poll before you vote. I will try and cover all the options if I can.

(Suggestions for the poll would be appreciated)
 
You can't teach a pig to sing. Our "leaders":rolleyes: have failed to recognize cultural differences between the Iraqis and western (particularly American) cultures and attitudes toward so-called freedom.
 
Again, "No need to justify your response or start an argument or disscussion, I think that is being done quite well in the other current threads."

Thanks for all the votes so far.
 
Quick clarification:

On the yes answers let us deal with what is happening now. Assuming it is leading to a free and some form or democracy.

On the Maybe, those outside variables could be just about anything. The UN taking over. The second coming of Mohammand. Iran dropping a Nuke somewhere. Nothing real concrete just variables, no matter what you think they are.
 
Interesting I find that after a two days of voting, the negative and Maybe is so much larger than the yes, I would have thought it would be a little bit more even here. Must be my optimistic nature, or as some see it my own stupidity.

Yes, a good ally, and freedom will start to change the Middle East. 10.64%

Yes, but it will be very hard to accomplish, and it might not last long. 12.77%
Maybe, but a lot of outside factors will have to line up as well. 36.17%

No, even if a democracy forms they will still have fear and distrust towards the US. 6.38%

No, a democracy will be so short lived it will be worse after it falls. 34.04%
 
Why on earth would anyone think that "democracy" in Iraq would make the US safer? If it isn't a constitutional democracy guaranteeing the rights of minorities, with an extremely strong and independent judiciary, democracy is simply the tyranny of the majority, with all the evils that accompany that.

There was a democratic vote by Palestinians a couple years ago--the "wrong" people won, in the view of Israel and America. So naturally, that government wasn't recognized, aid was cut off, no one would negotiate with the bad guys, etc. And now look at what's going on in Gaza and Lebanon, in addition to the carnage in Iraq. Yep, democracy is a real cure-all (not!)
 
Again, "No need to justify your response or start an argument or disscussion, I think that is being done quite well in the other current threads."
Thanks for all the votes so far.
 
I dont think they are a society capable of a republic.They have a conditioning and believe system that will take years to undo and they will have to do it on their own,we cannot force democracy onto a people that are not ready for it or do not want it.
 
These people over in Iraq have no conception of what a republic or democracy is!!

The leaders we have installed were educated over here!!! But the average Joe on the street has no historical base on which to act upon!!
Islam is theocracy and that is what they have been taught for hundreds of years. Thirty days (or less) after we pull out Iraq is gonna make a deal with Iran. Heck, they have already started that process already, much to our chagrin!!!

You have to remember our republic was started by men who already had a firm concept of what a democracy was supposed to be (remember the Magna Carta). England had been a constitutional monarchy since 1215!!!
The only reason we are where are today is because George III got greedy and decided to use the New World colony's as a cash cow!! Yes Virginia, the revolution was started for ECONOMIC reasons, not some lofty political idea!!

The notion that we can plant American style democracy everywhere is a fallacy. Boris Yeltsen tried it in Russia and today, the old Soviet union is drifting back into oligarchy just like it was under the Czars and Communists!!

But what about Israel, you say??
Israel was settled mostly by European Jews who already knew and had experienced democracy and even the government that they started is largely socialist, more like France than the US!!

Naw, it ain't gonna work!!
 
I was gonna post this in the Giuliani Vs. Paul thread but I think it fits good in this thread also. It's 45 minutes long but it's really worth listening to.

It's an interview with Michael Scheuer, the former head analyst of the CIA’s Bin Laden unit. The interview was done by antiwar.com but he is far from antiwar. He explains why Ron Paul was right about our foreign policy causing the 9/11 attacks. He also explains why the War in Iraq won't make us safer but actually makes us less safe.

Give it a listen if you have the time.

Click the grey play button at the bottom of this page to listen.
 
hrmmm...

sounds like court...please confine your answers to yes or no.

so what would be the type of bare bones democracy that meets your definiton of Democracy in Iraq?

I think they already have a democratic government dont they? Didn't the people just elect represenatives? Not a full blown government but a start.
 
I would like to say thank you for putting more than just yes or no as choices on this poll. Also, the choices are well thought out and quite fair, unlike the majority of polls in the Legal and Political section.

And to reiterate: PLEASE DO NOT JUSTIFY YOUR LOGIC IN VOTING!

The less heated this poll gets, the longer it remains unlocked, therefore, we will have the chance to get a much higher number of votes. That should be the goal here. There are other threads here where all sides have been argued.
 
Thank you Kickshot, you stated it very clear and consice, trying to get as many votes as possible.



Eghad, well for purposes of this poll, lets just say a system that is fully in place, including a judicary, executive and parlimintary branch, with a complete term of each (except maybe the judiciary, we have those guys appointed for life, so I think a year would be suffiecient)
 
Well this will be my last time I throw this to the top of the pile. Last time I did this I only got 11 more votes.

I anticipate about the same again. So Moderator/Staff I will let this die after this round of votes.

Thank you all for your votes.
 
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