A petition to George W Bush

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Monkeyleg

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I've been mulling this over, sort of a pre-emptive strike. Many, if not most, of us on this forum are going to vote for Bush, but with some reservations regarding RKBA. I suggest we come up with a petition that states: 1) that we are going to vote for Bush, but have reservations that he may sign more anti-RKBA legislation; 2) that the nation has all the gun laws it needs, and probably a whole slew that it doesn't need;
3) if Bush signs _any_ gun control legislation, we will vote for third-party candidates at every level of government starting in 2002 and the Republican Party can
kiss our votes goodbye. A copy of the petition would be sent to the Bush campaign and to Jim Nichols, the chairman of the RNC.

To be truly effective, the petition has to have a ton of signatures. Not a few hundred thousand, but two million or more. Therefore,
we'd need a website and a way to get the link
out to every possible gun site and gun owner.

I've put up a website once, but don't know how to gather the signatures or how to send the final petition with the signatures (it would be best to send them all at once).

Does anyone have any opinions on this, and any advice on how to get the site up and running?

Thanks,
Dick
 
"Reservations?"

Junior already promised to BAN full-capacity mags. Not just uphold the current import restrictions, but BAN THEM ALTOGETHER.

Junior has also promised to renew the AW ban.

Junior is also on record as stating "There ought to be limits to freedom."

Yeah, I have some "reservations" about him. Sorry, Dick, but I don't think a petition will amount to jackdammit. He's already promised to tighten the noose further, and a few angry gun nuts won't make any difference.

Pardon my cynicism.
 
Coinneach, your cynicism is entirely understood. I get fund-raising mail from the RNC just about every other day, and I want to write "don't f**k with the 2nd" on it and send it back. The Democrats got hammered in '94, in part because of the AW ban. I just think we should let the Republicans know that the same thing could happen to them in 2002 if they don't get some steel between their legs. Warn them now instead of complaining when it's going down.

So, I'm just exploring ideas, and this seemed to have potential.

Dick
 
I like it. It certainly can't hurt.

Even if you're not going to vote Bush (I haven't decided - leaning lib.) sign the petition anyway.

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"Anyone feel like saluting the flag which the strutting ATF and FBI gleefully raised over the smoldering crematorium of Waco, back in April of ‘93?" -Vin Suprynowicz
 
Coinneach is right. Bush, like all other polliticians, wants your vote, and you can submit all the petitions you want and it will be fine with him as long as he gets that vote.

Qualifying your support for a politician is a waste of your time, because he or she doesn't care if your support is qualified, as long as you give it. Your refusal to give your support -- your vote or your money -- is the type of language politicians understand.

What do you think Bush - or for that matter The Evil Al Gore -- would do if the 80 million gun owners in this country all pledged to vote only for a candidate who promised to uphold the Bill of Rights in its entirety?
 
David, your point about 80 million gun owners voting together has been made on this forum before, and by me as well. But it just won't happen (or certainly doesn't seem likely). My point in discussing a petition is to send a warning, in advance, that the signators will abandon the Republicans in 2002 if Bush signs
any more gun-control legislation.

Bush has a very good chance of winning, but he needs our votes to do it. Withholding our votes from him only elects Gore (please, let's not go down the third-party argument again). If the Republican Party is put on notice, wouldn't that help?

If you have any other ideas, I'm sure open to them.

Dick
 
Attention George W. Bush supporters!!!

In today's Chicago Sun-Times (01 June 00), page 37 in a commentary by William O'Rourke, pictured therein was your "gun savior" candidate George Dubya standing at a news conference with "his foreign policy team"...Brent Scowcroft, Colin Powell, George Shultz, and last but not least Henry Kissinger. Folks, this so-called "team" of Mr. Dubya epitomizes the NEW WORLD ORDER team!!! Doesn't that tell you something about this imbecile you're so freely throwing your support for president of the United States???? WAKE UP!

These distinguished gentlemen are the leaders of all of what has made our country's future look so bleak. Each and everyone of them are active members in the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), Trilateral Commission, and the NWO Brotherhood. Their track records speak for themselves...everywhere these men have been, we see massive strides towards globalization and centralization of power, not to mention death and destruction.

Oh but Dubya, that thar gun friendly Texas Governor that signed the concealed carry bill, only did that to get elected Governor, NOT BECAUSE HE WANTS AMERICANS TO BE FREE!!! Jesus, people. Like his father before him who said at the conclusion of the massive allied attack against innocent civilians in the Gulf, "This is the NEW WORLD ORDER". You'd better believe that this son of his evil father inherited not only daddy's evil intentions, but all of daddy's evil connections to the NWO. The photo with his foreign policy dream team is proof positive to that fact.

George Dubya is a front man for the NWO, nothing more, nothing less. He will DO AS HE IS TOLD!!!, just like his father, just like Clinton, and just like all the other NWO presidents before them. People...if you want your precious freedom back, you're gonna have to face up to the fact, that the only way you'll get it back is AVOID ANY NWO ASSOCIATED CANDIDATE. PERIOD!!!

If you don't, you'll soon face the inevitable that you so cowardly want to avoid in the first place. FIGHTING FOR FREEDOM and spilling blood.
 
Oookaayy.

I started a draft of the petition. Since I don't like p*ssing in the wind, I thought I'd post it here for your critiques. Like it, dislike it, rewrite it, do whatever you like.
If you think it's viable, let me know. If you don't, tell me why or give me some suggestions. I hate wasting time. Here's the draft:

We, the undersigned, have committed ourselves to voting for and supporting George W. Bush for President in
November. Many of us are
doing so with serious reservations about Mr. Bush's positions on gun control.

In 1968, the federal government enacted the first large-scale gun control
measure in our nation's history. In the ensuing years, violent crime escalated to a level never seen in our society.
Clearly, the Gun Control Act of 1968 was an abysmal failure. Rather than admit that gun control has no effect on
criminals, many politicians bent to the will of the media and enacted further measures which likewise had no effect on
violent crime.

The only persons who have been affected by these gun laws are the law-abiding. We have seen our God-given rights
traded for political expediency and have been corralled, controlled and monitored to an extent that would elicit
screams from the media if it were any other group but gun owners. We now face political enemies who are calling
for the banning of handguns, a ban on private transactions (stealthily referred to as "closing the gun show loophole"),
mandatory safety locks, smart gun technology and a host of other inane measures that criminals will greet with howls
of laughter.

To put it bluntly, we have had it. Every person has his or her "line in the sand," and ours has been drawn here: no
more gun laws. None. Not a trigger lock, not another background check or waiting period, not a ban on cap guns.
Nothing. The Bill of Rights is not a smorgasbord, it is an affirmation of rights granted us by our Creator. Rights
cannot be licensed, nor can they be picked at
like some roadkill feast for crows.

Many of us are independent voters. Many, too, are card-carrying Republicans. We have promised to vote for and
support George W. Bush, and we will. But, if President Bush signs even one gun-control measure, not only will we
not vote for him for re-election in 2004, we will also not vote for any Republican candidate at any level of
government in 2002. Our votes will go to the Constitution Party, the Libertarian Party or any other party that has the
fortitude to defend the Constitution, a document that many Republicans seem to have forgotten about in recent years.

There are 80 million gun owners in this country. We are the largest single-issue voting block. Organized, we can
elect any candidate we want. And we are vigilant.

Don't tread on us.


Dick

[This message has been edited by Monkeyleg (edited June 01, 2000).]
 
Not time to start'a'shoot'n yet.

You asked so here is an edit and some additions.
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Petition to Restore the Bill of Rights and How We Intend to Accomplish This

We, the Undersigned, have committed ourselves to voting for and supporting The Republican Party in November.

Many of us are doing so with serious reservations about their position on gun control.

Rather than admit that gun control has no effect on criminals, many politicians bend to the will of Media Polls and enacted further measures which likewise have no effect on violent crime. The only persons who have been affected are the law-abiding.

We now face political enemies who are calling for the licensing and registration of handgun owners, a ban on private transactions ("closing the gun show loophole"), mandatory trigger locks, smart gun technology and a host of other measures that criminals will, inevitably, ignore.

WhereAs; The Bill of Rights are an affirmation of Rights that All Humans, especially Citizens of the United States, have.

WhereAs; These Rights cannot be licensed or restricted by any person or Government.

WhereAs; In 21st Century terms the Second Amendment states: People with Firearms and the knowledge to use them, being necessary for the security of themselves and the Country, the rights of said people to own and carry firearms, cannot be restricted.

WhereAs; There are 80 million Firearm owners in this country. We are the largest single-issue voting block. We can elect any candidate we want.

Therefore;

We demand the repeal of all laws that effect only the lawful Citizen.

We demand that no new gun-control laws be introduced, debated or enacted.

We demand that felons who use or attempt to use firearms be imprisoned for not less that five years to run consecutively with any other punishment they receive.

If one gun-control measure is enacted will we not vote for any Republican candidate at any level of government in 2002.

Our efforts will go to the Election anyone from any party that has the fortitude to defend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights; documents that many seem to have forgotten about in recent years.
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For your consideration, feel free to do with it whatever you see fit.

Sgt.K

[This message has been edited by Sgt.K (edited June 01, 2000).]
 
I don't know how these online petitions are received by the candidates, but it certainly can't hurt our cause any.

I like the idea of beginning the petition with a show of support, with the understanding that we are uneasy about it and will easily change. Threatening to vote third party in 2002 and 2004 is also a good move, IMO. The only thing worse to a candidate than losing votes is losing campaign contributions. Maybe we can work in how much money gun owners normally contribute to the Republican National Committee.

Your wording of the petition is spot on, Dick. I say go for it!

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RKBA!
"The people have the right to bear arms for their defense and security"
Ohio Constitution, Article I, Section 4 Concealed Carry is illegal in Ohio.
Ohioans for Concealed Carry Website
 
FWIW, good idea. As a suggestion:

I'm more a fan of KISS. A followup such as:

"Gun control does not work. We, the gun owners know it, you the elected had better heed it. No more controls, or no more votes. Your choice, our vote."

Include a link to the website.

Small enough to fit on a postcard.

[This message has been edited by RAE (edited June 03, 2000).]
 
By all means send something to Bush. I agree and will sign!

However, Bush is in for four or eight years. Let's go after the "lifers"!
- State Representatives, Senators, and Governors.
- U.S. Representatives and Senators, and
- All elected officials and their party's national committees.

Let them ALL know that if Bush signs gun control legislation - even if its part of an Omnibus Bill:
- it will prove that the Republicans are Democrats at heart, and
- we all will vote for a third party in the election immediately subsequent to Bush's betrayal.

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Rae,
You make a good point. Let each of use write our own message in addition to signing a group message.

Let's hit the buggers where it hurts - in their careers!

Either you believe in the Second Amendment or you don't.
Stick it to 'em! RKBA!

TFL End of Summer Meet, August 12th & 13th, 2000

[This message has been edited by Dennis (edited June 03, 2000).]
 
Gentleman,
As much as I hate to admit it,I fear that Paul Revere may be right. I can still recall George Sr. uttering the words"A NEW WORLD ORDER"! I want to believe that young George is different,but I am sure the apple has not fallen very far from the tree. In fact,I came to the realization a few years ago that "we the People" are being duped by a masterful dog and pony show,controlled by the puppet masters who are ...Those that control the money! It is about Control!
 
Hardball, I'm hoping that George W is a different animal than his father. And I do emphasize the word "hoping." But my point in this, which Bluesman seconded, was also to warn the Republican Party about elections beyond 2000. Maybe that portion needs a little strengthening.

RAE, my plan was to send the petition electronically. But having a postcard "edition" would be a good addition. Any suggestions as to how to implement that? Maybe the site could have a PDF file on the postcard that users could download and print out.

I fully understand the contempt that Paul and others feel for many Republicans. I've seen the "tassled loafer" Republicans the party has tried to field when there were 100% pro-Constitution candidates eager to run.

I just figure it's better to threaten them now than to just play pocket pool and wonder what's going to happen over the next four years.

Thanks for the input.

Dick
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Monkeyleg:
But my point in this, which Bluesman seconded, was also to warn the Republican Party about elections beyond 2000.[/quote]

Right now, the Republicans have absolutely no interest in the elections beyond 2000. They care about the election this November, and nothing else. Whatever promises and lies they need for the 2002 election will be given to us in 2002. (Note that this also applies equally to the Democrats.)

But I see no evidence that these petitions hurt us, so if it makes you feel better to sign and send them, then you should do so.
 
I too am skeptical that it'll do any good, but I would sign the petition, if you do one. I signed the SAS-AIM's petition a while back.

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"At last we shall reveal ourselves to the Gun-Grabbers, at last we shall have revenge at The TFL End of Summer Meet on August 12 & 13, 2000..."
 
Dave,
If those who supposedly represent us "... have absolutely no interest in the elections beyond 2000" then it's time we create some interest.

Show them their careers are in jeopardy. We need to show them at the letter box and at the ballot box that the Constitution put We the People in charge.

We don't need all 200+ million Americans - we can do this ourselves if we work together.

Put their rears, um, I mean, CAreers at risk and watch them notice us.
Our way or the highway!

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Either you believe in the Second Amendment or you don't.
Stick it to 'em! RKBA!

TFL End of Summer Meet, August 12th & 13th, 2000
 
Monkeyleg,
I think you are really on to something! There are only two ways to lobby a politician. One is with money, and the other is with votes. Whether we like it, or not, this guy is probably going to be the next President of the U.S.

We'd better start talking to him now, before he's in.

Bush's handlers are focused on only one thing: Getting a majority vote in November. No candidate who has a serious chance to win, is going to take a firm stand on ANY contriversial subject (guns).
 
Hardball...

Well geez, thanks for the recognition. Most who overlook my posts are doomed to repeat historic mistakes...or cause them to be repeated.

Many pro-gun people have become selfishly one issue voters these days. They forget to look at the bigger picture, but all too often, they don't know what that bigger picture is, and thusly look at things with bent-in blinders on. Besides the NWO rhetoric, many of these same people have long forgotten a product of daddy Bush's regime...the assault weapons ban. This from a former (when it suited his political career) Life Member of the NRA. Moreover, look at George H.W's and George W's preparation for statesmanship (prep school, Yale University, and the infamous Skull & Bones...plus CFR, Trilateral Commission, the Bilderbergers, and other such NWO Brotherhood organizations). They're nearly identical, not to mention the genetic link. So some just sit and hold their breath and "HOPE" that George W. will be different than daddy, eventhough the cards indicate a repeat performance.

Mamma always said you can tell alot about a person by the friends he keeps. And with friends like Henry Kissinger and the NWO tag team, who needs to look elsewhere for an enemy...especially when its a NWO clone standing right in front of you, calling itself a Republican.
 
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