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a long shot question.
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Jim Watson
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Yes, in certain limited cases.
You give more details, I will try to give more details.
You give more details, I will try to give more details.
If you saw off the spur of the hammer from a SA/DA revolver you turn it into DAO (double action only).
Ofcourse semi auto easily turns into repeater. Load only one cartridge, or cut off gas.
First semi auto rifles where adapted turnbolts, did not really work.
Otherwise, rarely......
Ofcourse semi auto easily turns into repeater. Load only one cartridge, or cut off gas.
First semi auto rifles where adapted turnbolts, did not really work.
Otherwise, rarely......
Jim Watson
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bolt to lever
Not feasible.
semi to bolt
As Dutchy said, turn off the gas regulator on a FAL or plug the gas port on about anything. When the Ruger .44 auto was new, a hunter took one to Africa but had to plug the gas port and use it as a straight pull bolt action to meet Kenya game laws.
There are some ARs converted to bolt for target shooting and to pump action for sale in repressive jurisdictions that do not trust their citizens with automatics.
The old Standard Arms Model G could be selectively operated in auto or pump action.
lever to semi.
Well, John Browning did it but just as a proof of concept that a gun could be operated by gas pressure. Nothing you would want to go hunting or to the range with. Bill Ruger's first gun was a Savage 99 converted to semiauto.
Except for the specific case of converting or redesigning a semiauto to operate manually where legally required, most such alterations are not really practical.
Not feasible.
semi to bolt
As Dutchy said, turn off the gas regulator on a FAL or plug the gas port on about anything. When the Ruger .44 auto was new, a hunter took one to Africa but had to plug the gas port and use it as a straight pull bolt action to meet Kenya game laws.
There are some ARs converted to bolt for target shooting and to pump action for sale in repressive jurisdictions that do not trust their citizens with automatics.
The old Standard Arms Model G could be selectively operated in auto or pump action.
lever to semi.
Well, John Browning did it but just as a proof of concept that a gun could be operated by gas pressure. Nothing you would want to go hunting or to the range with. Bill Ruger's first gun was a Savage 99 converted to semiauto.
Except for the specific case of converting or redesigning a semiauto to operate manually where legally required, most such alterations are not really practical.
There are some ARs converted to bolt for sale in repressive jurisdictions that do not trust their citizens with automatics.
ding ding ding.
winner
ok.
so it's possible. now the million $$ question.
is it feasible?
Jim Watson
New member
Phew, I am so tired of guessing games that I don't know if I will be able to get it down.
I have seen pictures, just don't recall where.
I guess you could plug the gas port or gas block to downconvert an auto AR or for a fine rifle, I would put on a barrel made without a port at all.
You could just operate it with the cocking handle to open and the buffer spring to close, but it is a neater system to screw a bolt handle into the side of the bolt carrier and cut a slot back from the ejection port to give it room to travel. Or slot the left side of the action and put on a left side bolt handle, a la FAL. That would give you a straight pull bolt action. If the buffer were left in the butt, it would be an assisted closing bolt action, which I would recommend if allowed by your rulers, there being nothing else to hold the AR bolt closed. If that were not allowed, it would be a good idea to put a detent somewhere in there to keep the bolt closed for firing. One guy in the second link below locked everything together and made it a turnbolt.
This seems to have been done in Ireland, see
http://www.long-range.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=4033&hl=straight+pull
and elsewhere
http://www.nationalmatch.us/forums/...6d9c89b003b5bdccfd4885&highlite=straight+pull
I have seen pictures, just don't recall where.
I guess you could plug the gas port or gas block to downconvert an auto AR or for a fine rifle, I would put on a barrel made without a port at all.
You could just operate it with the cocking handle to open and the buffer spring to close, but it is a neater system to screw a bolt handle into the side of the bolt carrier and cut a slot back from the ejection port to give it room to travel. Or slot the left side of the action and put on a left side bolt handle, a la FAL. That would give you a straight pull bolt action. If the buffer were left in the butt, it would be an assisted closing bolt action, which I would recommend if allowed by your rulers, there being nothing else to hold the AR bolt closed. If that were not allowed, it would be a good idea to put a detent somewhere in there to keep the bolt closed for firing. One guy in the second link below locked everything together and made it a turnbolt.
This seems to have been done in Ireland, see
http://www.long-range.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=4033&hl=straight+pull
and elsewhere
http://www.nationalmatch.us/forums/...6d9c89b003b5bdccfd4885&highlite=straight+pull
Rather extreme examples were the several conversions of the British SMLE bolt action rifle to light machineguns. The best known was the New Zealand-made Charlton, some 1500 of which were turned out early in WWII. They looked pretty weird, but apparently worked.
Of course that was not really a change of action; the guns were still bolt action, just with the bolt being operated by a gas piston and cams.
Jim
Of course that was not really a change of action; the guns were still bolt action, just with the bolt being operated by a gas piston and cams.
Jim
The military played with the Pederson device way back when the 03 Springfield was the rifle the grunts carried. The bolt was taken out of the action and the Pederson device went in its place. It converted a bolt action to a semi-auto fire. The clip was out the top right side, held 40 rounds, and the round was like a shortened 30 carbine known as the 30 Pistol round. The rifles that were converted for the Pederson device are known as the Mk1s. The rifles are easily identfied by the hole slit cut out of the left side of the action where the empties were ejected. No Pederson device was ever issued and I've never seen one or heard of one although accessories can be found.
The original question was from Australia and it seems that it actually involved whether a prohibited type of action (semi-auto?) could be converted to a type that would be legal. Apparently the answer is no, but the questionable legality explains the very general wording of the question. It is like someone in the US asking if the Thompson SMG he found in the attic can be made legal in some way. (The answer to that also is no.)
The Pedersen device, or "U.S. Pistol, Caliber .30, Model of 1918", its "cover" name, was a perfect example of an idea that sounded good when briefing the generals. The idea was that American troops would advance, using rapid fire from the Pedersen device to keep the enemy's heads down. My view is that if the "device" had ever been used, it would have been a disaster, for the simple reason that in order for someone who is being shot at to keep his head down, he must first know that he is being shot at. In the noise of battle, with the low report and subsonic bullets of the little cartridge, the Germans would never have known anyone was firing at them. They would simply have manned their machineguns and mowed down the Americans as they marched forward, over-confident in their new technology.
Jim
The Pedersen device, or "U.S. Pistol, Caliber .30, Model of 1918", its "cover" name, was a perfect example of an idea that sounded good when briefing the generals. The idea was that American troops would advance, using rapid fire from the Pedersen device to keep the enemy's heads down. My view is that if the "device" had ever been used, it would have been a disaster, for the simple reason that in order for someone who is being shot at to keep his head down, he must first know that he is being shot at. In the noise of battle, with the low report and subsonic bullets of the little cartridge, the Germans would never have known anyone was firing at them. They would simply have manned their machineguns and mowed down the Americans as they marched forward, over-confident in their new technology.
Jim