A good NY Daily News article.

[ThesNazud]

I think this is the right forum for this... If not, please move it for me...

http://m.nydailynews.com/1.1550094#bmb=1

I read this article and was pleased to see the points it made...

How we would have stopped Karl Pierson in Colorado, or Adam Lanza in Connecticut or Jared Loughner in Arizona isn’t a question of legislation. Each crime was different, involving a complex constellation of factors without much congruity. Despite routine calls for assault weapons bans, in the case of Pierson and the Washington Navy Yard shooter, the perpetrators used a shotgun, the kind of gun Vice President Biden actually told women to go out and buy following Newtown. No one, I imagine, will call for a shotgun ban anytime soon. Nor should they.

Yeah, I'm quite sure uncle Joe wouldn't want to have more egg on his face than he already does. I mean we all know that shotguns aren't as scary looking as those evil assault rifles...

It’s time to see the forest through the trees.

Lol

Instead of knee-jerk vitriol against the NRA and the millions of law-abiding gun owners they represent, wouldn’t it be something if the President, or folks at the Brady Campaign, called up Wayne LaPierre and said, “You know a lot about gun laws and gun owners. What can we work on together?”

Yeah, I don't see that happening. It would make sense and I think we can all agree that when it comes to government if it makes sense, it isn't going to happen.

This article probably won't make much waves on the matter, but it is a well thought and pointed piece on what we are and aren't doing correctly.

 

[Glenn E. Meyer]

Not a bad piece. The fly in the ointment is that most vocal advocates of gun control deny the basic right to own a gun. Gun ownerships may be allowed for only limited sporting uses. They deny the fundamental utility of firearms for self-defense.

Legit surveys of gun ownership indicate that most of the public believe in two things:

1. There is a right to own guns (yes, some extreme bastions deny this) but most don't.

2. Laws should stop criminals and folks with psychiatric problems of clear diagnoses of danger (hard to do) from having guns.

Having a discussion without accepting #1 is not going to be useful.

Good catch of the article and thanks for the post.

I would hope that the country would realize that the Bloombergs and Schumers are counter productive. When the Pres. praises Australia, he either doesn't really understand the issue and is naive or is fundamentally opposed to gun ownership -except for the skeet/duck rich guys. I don't want to get too political but you never hear gun controllers starting with the basic right to own (beyond sports) and then saying let's figure out ways to stop bad things.

 

[mehavey]

1. There is a right to own guns (yes, some extreme bastions deny this) but most don't.

First, I would take issue that belief in firearms ownership as a RIGHT is a universal one. More and more are being converted to the notion that it is somehow an American privilege (note distinction) -- and therefore subject to increasingly stringent regulation at the state's whim. LawDog's geometric progression of compromise then comes into play as "common sense" gun laws are overlaid, one upon the other upon the other. I have now come to see the phrase "Common Sense" to be as much an immediate red flag as is "Settled Science," and "Reform."

“Take us the foxes, the little foxes, that spoil the vines . . .”

Second, the tenets of 2A were founded on the ordinary citizenry being both trained & equipped to band together in resistance to abuse of power -- whether foreign or domestic (to coin a phrase). This basic understanding is not only never brought to the front as underlying rationale, but is actively discouraged as "ludicrous" by the new intelligentsia, and especially by those who teach our children.

As the twig is bent, “……for our vines have tender grapes.”

I don't want to get too political but you never hear gun controllers starting with the basic right to own (beyond sports)

Which is where I came in....

 

[DaleA]

the phrase "Common Sense" to be as much an immediate red flag

+1 to the above comment.

It really, really annoys me when that phrase comes up in the debate. I feel I'm pretty sure I know their version of common sense is not going to line up at all with mine.