A Ford on the outside and a Rolls Royce on the inside
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I think there are three different Philippine's based 1911 makers; ARMSCOR, S.A.M., and . . . the other one escapes me, but they're imported by ATI.
Who made the pistol into which the Ed Brown parts were installed?
When you say "trigger", do you mean the hammer/sear/disconnector group, or literally just the trigger?
A $500 gun with $400 worth of well-fitted Brown parts might be a good deal at $800.
Who made the pistol into which the Ed Brown parts were installed?
When you say "trigger", do you mean the hammer/sear/disconnector group, or literally just the trigger?
A $500 gun with $400 worth of well-fitted Brown parts might be a good deal at $800.
NJgunowner
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I'd pass, there are plenty of quality 1911's that come with factory warranties at that price.
Sig, S&W, Springfield, and Ruger to name a few.
Sig, S&W, Springfield, and Ruger to name a few.
Dragline45
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For right around $600 you can get a brand new Ruger 1911, which IMO at that price range is the best money can buy.
An Ed Brown barrel by itself means very little. Most 1911 barrels are reasonably accurate. It's how the gun is put together that really makes them more accurate -- consistent lockup being the biggest factor. Barrel/bushing fit help some as well. Personally, I wouldn't pay that much but if I wanted to help a friend, maybe.
Jim Watson
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A STI Spartan with some Texan parts in an Armscor gun is $625 new from Brazos.
I would only consider a $580 modified Filipino if I could testfire it for accuracy and reliability. If it did not shoot as accurately as I could hold, and 100% reliable with any ammo I might care to try, pass.
I would only consider a $580 modified Filipino if I could testfire it for accuracy and reliability. If it did not shoot as accurately as I could hold, and 100% reliable with any ammo I might care to try, pass.
As others have stated, "Caution". I own both a Ford and a Rolls Royce. I will take the Ford over the Rolls. Besides Rolls used a GM transmission. The RR is pretty but I like the Ford better and more parts maybe made in the USA. 
Also, my plain Remington R1 is supposed to have a target barrel. It sure shoots like it.
Also, my plain Remington R1 is supposed to have a target barrel. It sure shoots like it.
joe-lumber
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I have Remington R1 Commander and a Sig 1911 5" and I shoot them better at targets at 7-10 yards than a .40 Glock 23 that I shot yesterday. I guess the fact of the 1911's weighing more makes the difference and the recoil is less with the 1911's.
I have Remington R1 Commander and a Sig 1911 5" and I shoot them better at targets at 7-10 yards than a .40 Glock 23 that I shot yesterday. I guess the fact of the 1911's weighing more makes the difference and the recoil is less with the 1911's.
"Match barrel" doesn't mean a thing, if the gun was not prepped by the AMU. Today, it's a marketing term.
There was an interesting gunrag article, years ago, in which eight or ten "1911" barrels were clamped in a fixture that would test the accuracy of the tube, without the influence of how the barrel or bushing fit in a given pistol.
Included were mass-produced G.I. and commercial barrels, boutique "match" barrels, etc. The G.I. barrel, made by High Standard IIRC, was the second or third most accurate, and the "match" barrels weren't any more accurate than most of the mill-run production barrels.
The advantage of the oversized aftermarket barrels is not internal, but external, allowing for the barrel to be fitted individually to the gun. The fitting is what matters. A stock, "$400" pistol might be more accurate than a gun with a poorly-fitted "match" barrel.
But, there's no getting around the fact that an Ed Brown barrel costs $185, and a competent pistolsmith might charge that much again to install it.
If the gun shoots 2" groups at 25 yards, and the stock gun shoots 3" groups at the same distance, you have to decide if one inch is worth $370?
For a used gun, how much do you discount? That assumes that the barrel was properly fitted, and worth any extra cost.
There was an interesting gunrag article, years ago, in which eight or ten "1911" barrels were clamped in a fixture that would test the accuracy of the tube, without the influence of how the barrel or bushing fit in a given pistol.
Included were mass-produced G.I. and commercial barrels, boutique "match" barrels, etc. The G.I. barrel, made by High Standard IIRC, was the second or third most accurate, and the "match" barrels weren't any more accurate than most of the mill-run production barrels.
The advantage of the oversized aftermarket barrels is not internal, but external, allowing for the barrel to be fitted individually to the gun. The fitting is what matters. A stock, "$400" pistol might be more accurate than a gun with a poorly-fitted "match" barrel.
But, there's no getting around the fact that an Ed Brown barrel costs $185, and a competent pistolsmith might charge that much again to install it.
If the gun shoots 2" groups at 25 yards, and the stock gun shoots 3" groups at the same distance, you have to decide if one inch is worth $370?
For a used gun, how much do you discount? That assumes that the barrel was properly fitted, and worth any extra cost.
Army Marksmanship Unit -AMU
When then-President Dwight Eisenhower ordered the establishment of the United States Marksmanship Unit (AMU) at Ft. Benning, Georgia, in March of 1956, little did anyone suspect that the AMU would become the Army’s “skunk works” for the testing and development of special-purpose weapons. The unit was initially given the mission of “competing in Inter-service, national, international, and Olympic competitions, promoting the Army, and enhancing combat readiness,” and it has embraced that role. The AMU placed second in the International Sniper Competition that was held at Ft. Benning the end of October 2006. The AMU competed against twenty-five teams from all over the world including units from the U.K., Canadian Army, Israeli Defense Force (IDF) sniper instructors, and from the Army, Air Force and Marines.
When then-President Dwight Eisenhower ordered the establishment of the United States Marksmanship Unit (AMU) at Ft. Benning, Georgia, in March of 1956, little did anyone suspect that the AMU would become the Army’s “skunk works” for the testing and development of special-purpose weapons. The unit was initially given the mission of “competing in Inter-service, national, international, and Olympic competitions, promoting the Army, and enhancing combat readiness,” and it has embraced that role. The AMU placed second in the International Sniper Competition that was held at Ft. Benning the end of October 2006. The AMU competed against twenty-five teams from all over the world including units from the U.K., Canadian Army, Israeli Defense Force (IDF) sniper instructors, and from the Army, Air Force and Marines.
The U.S. Army, in the form of their Marksmanship Unit (AMU) established "National Match" standards for preparation of their competition pistols.
If you have a U.S. Army "match" barrel or pistol, it was built to a set of specifications that anyone can confirm by looking at the specs.
A manufacturer that stamps the word "match" on a barrel does not necessarily make their barrels to the G.I. specs, and if they don't publish the specs, there's no way to know how the barrel is different/better, if it is different, from any other barrel.