A disturbing trend

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Waterdog

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As of lately, I have noticed that most of the firearms media desribes the coming election as our last chance.

This includes the NRA, with their TV
info-mercials, and most mainstream firearms magazines and other monthly firearms publications.

This is really starting to tick (not the dog kind) me off.

The things that I have accomplished in my life, started as a positive thought.

We teach our children to think positive, in all areas of their lives.

I have personally come to the conclusion that
owning a firearm in the US is a right, and it being a right, I will not register my guns, and I will never let them be confiscated by a government that seeks to deprive me of this right.

The framers of the Constitution knew that centralized government would raise it's ugly head, and knowing this, they gave us the Bill of Rights.

The document allows us to rise up and put down any tyrannical bureacracy that would develop within our government.

If any of you believe the media BS about being the last chance, you need to just turn in your guns and buy some chapstick, for all the a**kissing you will have to do, everytime you have to deal with the bureacracy.

I don't give a frogs behind if Gore wins, he nor any other socialist/marxist puke will get my guns without a fight.

Waterdog




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I feel the same way. If Gore wins, I'd be damned if I'm giving up.

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Waterdog, I believe they are correct. Both sides are veiwing this as a single issue election. The issue of course being gun control/destruction of the constitution. I to believe that there will be more people voting based on a single issue in this election than any we have seen is several decades. Certanly there will be those, as in any election, based on a number of issues. There to will those uniformed voters voting simply because it is their right to do so, yet they will spend no time studying the issues or candates. Such is the American way.
However, I personally feel that this is not necessarily an all to gether bad thing for us. Us, of course, meaning freedom loving Americans whom still hold the principles set down in the original Bill of Rights. In spite of being faced with a liberal media bent on as much damaing propaganda against us as possible I think we are winning.
I feel if we win we will have sent a clear message to our legislative body and the country as collective that the will of the people is to defend and honor the Bill of Rights. The media will, in all likelyhood, down play the importance of that issue if Bush does win.
On the other hand if we do lose and Gore becomes our next president the anti constitatuion crowd and their political lackeys will push for more gun control. The media will then, of course, insist that the people have spoken and based on the election results they (the people) want more gun control. In that event, depending on the congress, this election may be our last hope for a "peaceable" solution to the issue. I'm not advocating violance in any form. However neither do I expect Americans, true Americans, to surrender their rights.
The bottom line is we, believers of the Bill of Rights, should consider this one as being the one for all the marbles.


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Gunslinger

I was promised a Shortycicle and I want a Shortycicle!
 
I'm outta my marbles...loaded em in my shotgun. Marbles, hearing aid batteries....whatever. Votin time is near.
 
It's interesting how the NRA is portraying this election as being the big finale.

Wonder what they'll say when Gore wins? Doom and Gloom, cheery optimism (NRA always seems to find something to call a win in a defeat) or just silence?

Battler.
 
Y'all are missing the "big picture" here.

Gore elected, nobody gives a flyin' flip.

and

Gore elected, gun-shop owners will never have had it so good!!

:D

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God, Guns and Guts made this country a great country!

oberkommando sez:
"We lost the first and third and now they are after the Second!(no pun intended)"
 
Nice comment, Waterdog but reality intervenes.
Most of the gun world realizes that the fighting option is a fantasy.

Most won't. The ones who do - how?

Be a terrorist and the entire country will hunt you down.

If they come to your house to take your guns,
and you resist you will be killed.

Are you going to be a guerrilla fighter?

The election is the real battle as if it is lost, most law abiding citizens will lose the RKBA. That a few have an AR-15 or SKS in PVC is not really relevant.

There will be no general rebellion in the USA
to support gun rights. Sorry to add reality to this type of discussion.
 
Enochgale, I do not think you will find anyone here on TFL advocating an armed rebellion. However, I do think that if, in the unlikely event, Gore is elected and we find oursleves inundated with new, more restrictive, laws you will see far more civil disobedience. We are already seeing this in both California and New York were strict registration laws have been put in place. People (gun owners) there have simply decided that they will not participate in this first step to confiscation and are not registering their guns. There are other examples of course but you get the idea. I don't think it wise for members to discuss details of acts of disobedience on a public forum but there will be a surge of Americans that will refuse to relinquish their freedoms.

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Gunslinger

I was promised a Shortycicle and I want a Shortycicle!
 
TFL members are, understandably, most focused upon the RKBA.

Talk to others, and you'll find that abortion, environment, and other issues are their 'only issues'.

The important fact in this election, IMHO, is that we have a reasonable shot with Bush at not losing any more ground, or taking back some ground. (OTOH, he and his Republican friends may also scr*w us again ...).

If Gore is elected, there will be very little that will prevent some linch pin issues from going against us ... such as licensing, registration and confiscation.

We simply have to do our best. Having said all this, I recognize that the NRA, GOA et al will also have a 'marketing' incentive to trumpet the dangers ... they do rely on members of course.

Regards from AZ
 
I can't speak for anyone else but I don't take .gov induced orders very well, it will eventually be a terminal illness.
 
Man if the 2nd amm is so fragile in this country so as to have its fate determined by ONE election, the Constitution of the people by the people and for the people is already lost!
 
In my 'law' class [it's business law ;)], it is stated that the Constitution is the supreme law and that other laws can't go against it.

So, if we have the right to keep and bear arms, alotted to us by the 2nd Amendment, how could they actually make confiscation a reality?
 
Orion, the second is not alloted to us by the constitution. It is our written guaranty by our founders to ensure our elected officials never attempt to usurp our.....or any mans'....God given rights as a human being. We are just fortune enough to have had wise enough forefathers to address that and other God given rights in our guiding document....The Bill of Rights.

As to how they may make confiscation a reality that is a question they should ask themselves. Unfortunately too few of our elected officials look at the Bill of Rights. Far fewer appreciate it for the wisdom it contains or understand the guidance it offers them.

Drop me an Email to let me know how that 10/22 is coming along. :)

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Gunslinger

I was promised a Shortycicle and I want a Shortycicle!
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ATTICUS:
We just survived 8 years of Clinton, why would 4 years of Gore be any different?[/quote]
Because 12 (or possibly 16) years of anti-constitutional dickheads are more than any country or free population could endure.
 
Don't get me wrong, I'm voting Bush all the way and Frankentsein and Boxer out of office if they are up this election...but

I have a feeling the real battle w/the 2nd is in the People V Emmerson case.

Perhaps someone will know more than I do on the issue.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gunslinger:
Enochgale, I do not think you will find anyone here on TFL advocating an armed rebellion. However, I do think that if, in the unlikely event, Gore is elected and we find oursleves inundated with new, more restrictive, laws you will see far more civil disobedience. We are already seeing this in both California and New York were strict registration laws have been put in place. People (gun owners) there have simply decided that they will not participate in this first step to confiscation and are not registering their guns. There are other examples of course but you get the idea. I don't think it wise for members to discuss details of acts of disobedience on a public forum but there will be a surge of Americans that will refuse to relinquish their freedoms.

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Just b'cuz it's not written down here, doesn't mean it's not discussed elsewhere.

A lot of folks would as soon the book, "Unintended Consequences" disappear from the face of the Earth. Because it's been labeled as a cookbook.
So was the book, "Hit Man, A Technical Manual for Independent Contractors".
Having, or reading, a book doesn't make one dangerous. But the idea that knowledge is a dangerous thing is growing. That is a very dangerous concept. It will lead to the deliberate ignorance of the masses. Ignorance is a vital key to enslavement.
So is disarmament of the same masses.

At what point will a certain number of one group decide they've had enough of this, and fight back violently? Good question, but not to be answered in this chapter.



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"Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation ... in the several kingdoms of Europe ... the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms" (James Madison, the Federalist Papers, No. 46).

"A nation of well informed men who have been taught to know and prize the rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved. It is in theregion of ignorance that tyranny begins." -Benjamin Franklin
 
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