A CZ75 TS followed me home.

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rt11002003

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Tomorrow, I'll see whether my shooting partner made good recommendation. Actually, he was talking about a possible purchase of a CZ75 Tactical Sport for himself. He convinced me it was a superb handgun. Now he'll have a chance to try one out before buying, or not.:)

During my research of the gun, I found a NIB one at a good price. Just couldn't resist. It looks and feels nice with a super trigger pull; slight travel; about 2 pounds pull. A couple of questions: Has anyone seen the plastic guide rod with a bend in it? Looks like sitting under pressure of the recoil spring bowed it. Seems to work OK. Second question: The parts breakdown shows a buffer: do the guns come with a buffer? I can't find one. If there is one, where does it fit?

Have never owned, nor fired a CZ. Just admired them at a distance. And, registered folks talking/writing about them.

If the shooting results tomorrow are good, I'll brag about it. Otherwise, my lips are sealed. Results will include both of us. He's better.
 
I have the regular SP-01 all steel model.

All steel that is except for the guide rod!!

Mine is also plastic and is a bit curved from the action of the spring, but it hasn't stopped it working though.
 
I've held a number of TS's in stores, but I've never fired one. They seem like superb guns. CZ 75's have been one of the most shootable guns (for me) that I've ever had time on. My next semi-auto handgun purchase is definitely going to be a CZ 75 (custom).
 
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Has anyone seen the plastic guide rod with a bend in it? Looks like sitting under pressure of the recoil spring bowed it. Seems to work OK.
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One of these days, when my ship comes in (or the lottery smiles on me), I'll get a Tactical Sport...

I've been told by people who seem to know, that the guide rod is NOT a high stress part, and that plastic used in a guide rod is not likely to cause problems. Then, too, some years back, when I was more active in the CZ world (as one of the moderators on the CZ forum for 4-5 years, I sought guidance from CZ-USA about reason for the plastic guide rods. The Glock guide rods don't bend -- and they do break -- but even the broken ones seem to keep on working!

At that time I was told that metal guide rods were OK for the steel framed guns, but could be a problem for guns with alloy frames (and possibly void warranty coverage of some types of frame damage [wear at the receiver stop position] -- as the guide rod metal could be HARDER than the frame metal. I've since been told that this may no longer be a concern -- but I think I'd want a DEFINITIVE ANSWER before I made the switch​

Mike Eagleshield, the Head CZ gunsmith at the time, had seen some wear at the receiver stop (where the base of the guide rod rests) in some alloy-framed guns.

SIG introduced plastic guide rods some years back, but that move generated so much screaming from SIG enthusiasts they reverted to steel again. I don't know what's used, now.

Glocks have captured guide rods and you'd think THOSE guide rods would be even more stressed by the forces of recoil and return if that was really an issue. (And 1911Tuner, a regular here and elsewhere, has demonstrated that 1911s can be fired without guide rods with damage to the gun or the shooter. As many have noted, the primary function of the guide rod and recoil spring is not to MANAGE recoil, but to store enough energy to allow the slide to strip the next round and chamber.)

I've always used plastic guide rods when the gun came with them. If I had a P-01 or PCR and felt I needed a metal guide rod, I'd probably get brass a hinge pin from a Stanley hinge or a large alloy nail (like those used to install gutters) at a nearby hardware store and cut it to length and polish the end. But when I see the plastic guide rods REALLY BEND a lot in the compact models, I wonder what is going to get WORN if a metal guide rod that can't bend is used? That bend was caused by something...

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Second question: The parts breakdown shows a buffer: do the guns come with a buffer? I can't find one. If there is one, where does it fit?
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I don't know much about the Tactical Sport model, but the manual diagram notes that the BUFFER is only used with the .40 version, while a SLEEVE is used with the 9mm version. If yours is a 9mm (the version I'd get were I to buy one to play with) you shouldn't have a buffer.

With most guns, the buffer would be installed on the base of the guide rod BEFORE the spring is slipped over the rod... it acts as an extra "cushion" between the spring and the guide rod base. They tend to degrade pretty quickly in some guns, so if you have a .40, keep an eye on it... and get a couple of spares. (If they degrade and fall apart, they can can jams.)

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I have the same problem I have to avoid gun shops that stock CZ any thing becuse at lest 1 seem to follow me home :)
 
Thanks, Walt Sherrill for your detailed info and to the others for your responses and info.

I thought that buffers were mounted as Walt stated, but none of my breech locked guns, 45ACP or 9mm, have buffers. Except,m/b some of the guns have double recoil spring sets, the smaller of which might serve as a buffer.

The blow back guns usually have plastic buffers that are easily seen.

The CZ75 Tactical Sport is a superb hand gun! The shooting buddy mentioned in my OP and I ran well over a hundred rounds through it. Targets were at 10,15 and 25 yards. Most of the targets were five inches. None of the rounds were outside of the five inch circle. One target had a one inch hole of three rounds, another had a one inch hole of six rounds.

The 15 and 25 yard targets were the black ones that show hits in yellow, 6 inches? The 25 yard target actually had the best grouping.

We were pleased. I was shooting a SIG X-6 and a HK Mark 23 also. The SIG has a 2 1/2 pound trigger; the CZ is lighter.

I'm going to try to post photos to better explain.
 
OK, m/b I've learned a bit doing this.

There are two target pages. The one on the right was the first of the session. Fired from bottom to top, from right to left; the CX75TS, then the X-6 followed by the HK Mark 23; all at 10 yds. The small back dots are less than an inch shot by a Ruger Mark iii Target at 25 yds. I shot until I hit the dot.

The second page on the left is laid out the same: right to left CZ, X-6, Mark 23.
The black targets are labelled for distance. I had fired the X-6 at the 15 and 25 yrd targets, then covered them and fired the CZ. So you're looking at the CZ results. Except for the 25 yd target, I also fired the Mark 23 at it. I put 4 of the 5 rounds in the target. That's why it's torn so. The black target on the right is all CZ. Again, the black dots were shot at by the Ruger.

My buddy's shooting was better than mine, by far,
 

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Re: buffers.

One or two used .45s that I've picked up over the years came with buffers. For 1911s, they're sometimes used, more often avoided. Folks have used them in some standard CZs, too.

With a few guns (like at least one H&K), a buffer is a factory-designed mechansim and necessary for proper function. For others, they're used for a variety of reasons. (One pro I know uses lighter recoil springs to increase slide speed, and buffers to help stop the slide as it moves back. He and others say it speeds the gun's cycling while reducing muzzle rise. That may be the reason that CZ uses them with their .40 version of the TS.)

Many of the folks who use buffers think they help protect the gun. I don't think that is the case, but in some situations they may serve a required function.
 
Has anyone seen the plastic guide rod with a bend in it? Looks like sitting under pressure of the recoil spring bowed it. Seems to work OK.
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Congratulations on your new Tactical Sport. Heck of a way to jump into the CZ pool!

When I first laid my hands on my steel-framed CZ 75 Compact I was horrified to see the gray, plastic guide rod protruding in bent fashion from below the barrel of the gun when I locked the action open. I vowed on the spot to replace it with a stainless steel rod. However, I learned that the plastic rods work very reliably, and saw that the flat-coiled recoil spring (unique to the compact 75s) can scratch the daylights out of a stainless rod. A stainless rod is still on my wish list, but is a very low priority. I try not to look at it too hard when the action is open.
 
cz75 TS is a fantastic gun. I've toyed with getting one for years but its harder to decide since it doesnt use the normal cz75 mags because of its larger frame.
 
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