Winchester_73
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I managed to acquire these revolvers recently. This was an interesting group. My brother, who is newer to guns bought the Ruger and I bought the S&W and the Colt.
The first gun is a S&W MKII hand ejector. SN 7059. These were sold in large numbers to the British government, whereby some were dispersed to Canada. I found this gun on the net, and it was listed as a 45 colt. The seller did not know whether it was rechambered after the factory to that or not. Most MKII hand ejectors are in cal .455 webley but about 730 were chambered in 45 colt from S&W for Canada. These were built on the N frame. I was told by a fellow collector that he saw one his friend had, which was caliber marked in the yoke, and was close in SN, approx 6800 or so he said. I was hoping this was applied by the Canadians so that someone would quickly know whether the gun was for 45 colt or not. I loved the guns condition. Back when these were made, S&W put a high emphasis on polishing, even on guns like this, which were only government contract. You get the feeling with these older S&Ws that they wanted every gun that left the factory to be basically perfect. I got the factory letter, and sadly it was rechambered at some point after its service life. It was done profesionally however and its a neat shooter gun to have with a neat history. The purchase of this gun was more or less a scratch off ticket, because if it was real, it was worth 3x+ what I paid. I did not know how to compare factory S&W 45 colt guns from the era to converted ones for the subtle differences before I bought the gun. Now I know so hopefully this won't happen again but I still like the gun a lot. The gun was shipped in 1915 to Remington arms who then shipped them to England and abroad. The gun has all the standard Canadian markings of the period. It was not import marked, and the converting gunsmith did not mark the gun on the outside, which I am happy about. In hindsight, I may have passed on the gun BUT any factory S&W in 45 colt from that era is scarce to rare, depending on which specific model you are talking about. I paid much less than any factory 45 Colt example, so I guess it was an ok find. Its actually my first 5 screw N frame, and so my first pre war N frame as well. Here she is, with all the original parts and grips:
This gun will be shot some but I don't reload yet, so my 45 colt supply is very limited. Although I better get some, since I have 3 45 colt guns now.
The next gun is a really neat one in my opinion. Originally I found this for a friend but it went for a little more than he personally wanted to spend. Its a Colt SAA 2nd generation 45 colt with a 5.5 in barrel. SN is 44XXXSA which makes for 1967 production. Its very clean. The grip type was an optional accessory, so I won't know if they are original or not until this one comes in.
If original to the gun, each side should have the last 3 numbers of the SN per the Garton book of post war SAAs I have. My first Colt SAA was a 2nd generation buntline which was my great grandfathers, and as cool as that one is, I always wanted an SAA I could play with more. I didn't want a 3rd gen SAA for various reasons, and I don't feel comfortable just yet buying a first gen SAA because quite frankly, there is a lot to know that I haven't learned yet. I know the basics about those, but not enough. So then I felt for the best compromise of quality, history, and investment potential, the 2nd gen was the way to go. This gun will also be shot some, but no CAS for this one
The seller who had that Colt SAA, also had this blackhawk. I had over looked it at first, but then I noticed it was a 3 screw. I'm not really an authority on Rugers, but I know a few things. I asked if it was converted, and the seller replied it was not. Good I thought, and I asked the SN, and I was told 181XX so I looked that up. I found it was 1958 production. I then realized that this gun was a flat top (I over looked that originally) and was more a collector's item than the later 3 screw guns. I decided then I had to make an offer to get both. In order to get both, I offered some collectible coins to my brother to raise the money. He is more of a coin collector and I more of a gun collector. He asked what kind of a gun I was trying to buy (he knows me well) and I told him. He said he would like to have it when he thought it should cost more than the seller wanted. The fact that it was a collectible Ruger also appealed to him. I said that was fine, and he was happy. I of course told him I would like to have it myself at first, but he said "but how many 357s do you already have? I don't have any" so I let him buy it. I have 2 3 screw ruger blackhawks, but no flat tops yet. Someday I will find my own. In the mean time, I did my brother a favor, and that's alright with me.
The first gun is a S&W MKII hand ejector. SN 7059. These were sold in large numbers to the British government, whereby some were dispersed to Canada. I found this gun on the net, and it was listed as a 45 colt. The seller did not know whether it was rechambered after the factory to that or not. Most MKII hand ejectors are in cal .455 webley but about 730 were chambered in 45 colt from S&W for Canada. These were built on the N frame. I was told by a fellow collector that he saw one his friend had, which was caliber marked in the yoke, and was close in SN, approx 6800 or so he said. I was hoping this was applied by the Canadians so that someone would quickly know whether the gun was for 45 colt or not. I loved the guns condition. Back when these were made, S&W put a high emphasis on polishing, even on guns like this, which were only government contract. You get the feeling with these older S&Ws that they wanted every gun that left the factory to be basically perfect. I got the factory letter, and sadly it was rechambered at some point after its service life. It was done profesionally however and its a neat shooter gun to have with a neat history. The purchase of this gun was more or less a scratch off ticket, because if it was real, it was worth 3x+ what I paid. I did not know how to compare factory S&W 45 colt guns from the era to converted ones for the subtle differences before I bought the gun. Now I know so hopefully this won't happen again but I still like the gun a lot. The gun was shipped in 1915 to Remington arms who then shipped them to England and abroad. The gun has all the standard Canadian markings of the period. It was not import marked, and the converting gunsmith did not mark the gun on the outside, which I am happy about. In hindsight, I may have passed on the gun BUT any factory S&W in 45 colt from that era is scarce to rare, depending on which specific model you are talking about. I paid much less than any factory 45 Colt example, so I guess it was an ok find. Its actually my first 5 screw N frame, and so my first pre war N frame as well. Here she is, with all the original parts and grips:
This gun will be shot some but I don't reload yet, so my 45 colt supply is very limited. Although I better get some, since I have 3 45 colt guns now.
The next gun is a really neat one in my opinion. Originally I found this for a friend but it went for a little more than he personally wanted to spend. Its a Colt SAA 2nd generation 45 colt with a 5.5 in barrel. SN is 44XXXSA which makes for 1967 production. Its very clean. The grip type was an optional accessory, so I won't know if they are original or not until this one comes in.
If original to the gun, each side should have the last 3 numbers of the SN per the Garton book of post war SAAs I have. My first Colt SAA was a 2nd generation buntline which was my great grandfathers, and as cool as that one is, I always wanted an SAA I could play with more. I didn't want a 3rd gen SAA for various reasons, and I don't feel comfortable just yet buying a first gen SAA because quite frankly, there is a lot to know that I haven't learned yet. I know the basics about those, but not enough. So then I felt for the best compromise of quality, history, and investment potential, the 2nd gen was the way to go. This gun will also be shot some, but no CAS for this one
The seller who had that Colt SAA, also had this blackhawk. I had over looked it at first, but then I noticed it was a 3 screw. I'm not really an authority on Rugers, but I know a few things. I asked if it was converted, and the seller replied it was not. Good I thought, and I asked the SN, and I was told 181XX so I looked that up. I found it was 1958 production. I then realized that this gun was a flat top (I over looked that originally) and was more a collector's item than the later 3 screw guns. I decided then I had to make an offer to get both. In order to get both, I offered some collectible coins to my brother to raise the money. He is more of a coin collector and I more of a gun collector. He asked what kind of a gun I was trying to buy (he knows me well) and I told him. He said he would like to have it when he thought it should cost more than the seller wanted. The fact that it was a collectible Ruger also appealed to him. I said that was fine, and he was happy. I of course told him I would like to have it myself at first, but he said "but how many 357s do you already have? I don't have any" so I let him buy it. I have 2 3 screw ruger blackhawks, but no flat tops yet. Someday I will find my own. In the mean time, I did my brother a favor, and that's alright with me.
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