9X21 Ammo

Alerion

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I ran across something different last week. I'd stopped in my favorite gun shop to see if there was anything there that I needed to own but didn't know about. :rolleyes: So my favorite gun dealer was showing me all the stuff she'd gotten in since the last time I was in. One of the toys was a H&K VP70Z, a gun H&K stopped making about 1989.

As I was looking at it, I saw 9X21 stamped on the side of the slide and asked what it was. She said it was 9mm Parabellum and I replied that 9mm Para is 9X19. Neither of us was quite sure what she had and I was much more enthralled with her latest Sig anyway.

So I did a little checking on 9X21. It seems that it is a round that is identical to 9X19 (Parabellum) in every way except that the brass is 2mm longer and the bullet is seated 2mm deeper to maintain the same overall length. That leaves the same space available for powder so the net result is a round that is identical to 9X19 except the two rounds aren't interchangeable.

So what function would a 9X21 serve? Very limited it appears. It seems to have one purpose. Some (Eastern European?) countries prohibit civilian ownership of guns capable of using military ammunition. Not because they fear the power of the ammo, there are many legal rounds with more power than 9mm, but to reduce the theft and black market resale of military guns and ammo. Ammo being the bigger item since it's not serialized and very difficult to trace as opposed to guns.

Anyway, when 9mm's were outlawed there were a lot of people left owning now illegal guns. The easy solution was to bore the chamber out 2mm deeper. Something even a lousy gunsmith could do in a couple of minutes. Since the rounds are the same overall size that would be the only change needed. The fact that even 9X19 brass is useless for reloading in 9X21 probably helped keep the government happy.

Apparently 9X21 hasn't caught on very well. There are a few guns available in it (including European Glocks) but it seems that when it comes to buying new guns, most people want a more conventional caliber.

So, it would be interesting to find out how this H&K wound up in the US. There were only about 400 VP70Z's made in 9X21 and none were supposed to be exported to the US. Someone must have brought it over with them. BTW, custom 9X21 loads are available in the US but they tend to be expensive which sort of defeats the purpose of owning a 9mm.

It would be interesting to see if a 9X19 barrel could be found for this gun. That would make ammo a lot easier to come by and it would make for a neat story explaining why the slide was still marked 9X21!

Tom
 
9x21 is/was also used in uspsa competitions before the more reliable 38 super and 9x23 were developed.
You CAN shoot 9x19 out of a 9x21 gun. You'll lose a little accuracy and a little velocity. I have 2 9x21 guns, one being a glock 17 which had a chamber switched to x21, and the other was a custom 1911 for ipsc shooting, that has since become a 9x23
 
you know, i was thinking, you may be able to get a good deal on this gun being that it is in a relatively unkown cartridge -outside of competition circles- and either shoot the regular 9mms through it, or reload yourself some 9x21.
9x21 brass is cheap. 79 bucks new per thousand from Starline, thats only 5 dollars more than new 9mm. In the long run, thats a negligible difference. You can load 9x21 to faster velocities if you want. But I wouldnt go all that high, due to not knowing the gun, and also the reason why rarely anyone shoots the 9x21 at IPSC major anymore. The cases don't hold up to that type of pressure over time. The walls are to thin, you get them bulging and causing problems after awhile.

Load them up to standard 9mm velocity, and you'll have no problems at all, and since cost seems to be a factor in your decision, may as well load the ammo anyway, as it's a hell of a lot cheaper than buying normal 9mm.
 
Italy, among others, forbids its citizens to own any firearms that are of a military caliber. The 9mmP (9mm NATO) is a current military caliber, so the 9x21 was created to fill its role.

I see this as proof that other governments really can come up with laws even more assinine than ours.
 
Actually, .38 super was used in IPSC long before the 9x21.

The 9x21 got popular in IPSC when high cap guns started coming out. 9x19 major was banned in USPSA, so guys loaded 9x21 to major. For a short time, it was the hot setup - a Springfield P9 in 9x19.
 
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