9mm necked down to .30

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Lavan

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Trick question. That is what the .30 Luger is.
Still on my crusade to get the gunmakers to chamber 9mm's for .30 Luger.
Barrels would interchange with no sweat and the magazines are identical.
.30 Luger is fast and accurate and has almost no recoil.

I hereby relinquish the soapbox.
 
Since the .30 came first, how can it be a necked-down 9mm? Actually, the 9mmP is more like a shortened .30 Mauser (I believe there was actually an obscure 9mm Mauser that may have been the parent of the 9mmP). I've been experimenting with forming .30 Luger brass from 9x23 Winchester and 9 Super Comp, and in the proper gun (not my 80yo Luger!), you'd have some very interesting ballistics. Sizing-down the 85gr. XTP or 90gr. Sierra to fit the .309+" barrel provides a couple of good bullets. A guy in my office has both a .30 Hi-Power, and a .30 conversion for his Ruger P-89. Colt made limited runs of the Commander in .30 at one time, methinks.
 
Rick,

I'm pretty sure that the 9mm Mauser Export round came after the 9mm Para. round.

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Does anyone know of a manufacturer that will make a .30 Luger barrel for 9mm pistols? Would shooting the new round require any modification such as a heaver or weaker recoil spring? I'm thinking this would be a fun, loud conversion for my Glock 34...
 
Hello all. The 9x19mm (Luger, Parabellum) came into existence when the German military wanted a heavier caliber than 7.65mm Luger. The easiest way to do this was to blow out the bottlenecked 30 Luger and the result was 9mm diameter. This change satisfied the military such that Luger sold pistols and he didn't have to change anything, but the barrel. I believe this occurred in 1902. Best.
 
If you think the .30 Luger is a fun one to play with, consider the 7.62x25 Tokarev, especially in it's Czech military loading. I finally got a couple hundred pieces of Starline brass for my roller-locked CZ52 pistol, and was shortly slinging those little pills over 1500 fps in front of Accurate Arms #5. I still have about 1/2 grain to go before I bump into the do-not-exceed load, but the current load is fast, and hits hard when I shoot my 100-meter silhouettes...
 
I concurr with Stephen A. Camp re the 1902 date for the introduction of the 9X19. Same year as the birth of the 9X29R (.38spec)

Sam...If it goes bang it gotta be good.
 
Somebody over at the Makarov.com board had a Browning High Power made up to shoot 7.62x25. I can't remember the guy's handle, but he still may lurk over there. He seemed very pleased with the result.
 
I was wondering, does anyone make a decent HP for the 30 mauser? I am thinking with a violent HP in in a G 34 [with replacement barrel] you could use it on varmints.

[This message has been edited by Glamdring (edited September 06, 2000).]
 
9mm Luger, 1902 introduction

9mm Mauser, 1908 introduction

9mm Steyr, 1911/1912 introduction.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RickB:
A guy in my office has both a .30 Hi-Power, and a .30 conversion for his Ruger P-89. Colt made limited runs of the Commander in .30 at one time, methinks. [/quote]

Rick--I've seen both the Colt CDR and the High Power in .30 Luger, as well as a postwar commercial P-38. I'm nearly certain SiG did their fine old P-210 in the .30.
Apparently there were several popular service pistols chambered so, for places like Italy, where it is'was illegal for civiliams to have military-caliber handguns. Although I've never heard of any, I'd be surprised if the CZ75, Bennelli and some of the Berettas were not also offered in .30. There's just not much use to import them into the U.S. except for the collectors' market and for novelty items.

No offense intended, really. I once bought a model 1935-A 7.65 mm French service with full intention to have it rechambered to .30 Luger. The gunsmith who was to do the job moved away, unfortunately. I think it would have made a dandly little "trail gun" Handy, flat, and reputed to be accurate. Then I realized the collectors' market on these guns had gone way up, so I sold it.

Interesting thread. Best,
Johnny


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I brought back a Walther P5 from Germany with an extra barrel in .30 Luger and mags that are marked with both calibers. Never seen another like it

NJW in AZ
 
I've seen a Sig220 European style in 30 Luger about 10 years ago. It was not a conversion and magazine was marked 30 Luger or something like that.
 
Brass,

Yes, the .30 Luger case is 19mm long (or there abouts), whereas the 7.62 Mauser (and 7.63 Tokarev, a derivative) is 25mm long.

Because the Mauser round is longer, it can hold more powder, making it considerably more powerful than the .30 Luger.

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