9mm Mouse Gun? Keltec p11?

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pinetree

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Looking for a new small CCW. My wife has claimed my snubby. At first I thought about a Tomcat or a Guardian, then I realized that the Keltec P11 is only slightly approx. 3/4" longer & wider, with the same width and weight. Anybody carry one of these guns? Are they reliable? I want to stay under $350.

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tjg
 
I have had several Keltecs. In the past they were unreliable. My two new ones are fantastic. They are pretty accurate, reliable, and very small, flat and light. I have both the P32 and the P11 -- it is a good combination.
 
I'm selling mine in the "for sale" section. It has been completely reliable. I need to sell it to finance my P232 purchase. I am keeping my P32 though. I think Kel-Tec is underrated.
 
The Kel Tec P-11 is not a mouse gun. The P-32 is and they are hot. And KT makes a mean 9mm and 40SW carbine.

BUT, the P-11 hasn't always had a great rep around here and ktog.

I'd look at a Kahr E9, Glock 26/27/33, Taurus 9mm, Guardian in .380 ACP or a similar sized gun where I don't have to spend a couple hours fluffing and buffing it to be outstanding.

Hey, its only a $200 gun but let's get a littl emore value for the money.

Tempting but not to protect someone I love.:rolleyes:
 
If you get a good P-11, its a great pistol. Mine has been great. Its my main carry gun. And when I don't carry it, I carry a P-32.
 
No Fluff and Buff here... on my two new ones. Fluff and Buff was not enough on the older ones. They needed fluff, buff and stuff in the trash to make them proper. :D
 
A bit more for an MK9? Try almost TWICE, and the thing is a brick. Apples and oranges my friend. Maybe the new Kahr PM9 will get close, but still for almost $200 more. No dice.
 
The little steel Kahr is one of the most accurate of the 9mm pistols. But it is like trying to carry a huge fishing sinker, small and heavy. The new poly-Kahr is far less accurate from what I understand, supposedly due to the flex of the poly.
 
Same weight, only slightly smaller, 4 fewer rounds, and $200 more. Why?
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I'm really not a KelTec basher, but the Kahr price has been slammed a couple of times in this thread.
Why does a Ruger MK II .22 pistol cost $200 more than a Jennings J22?

If you've shot both, you know the answer.
I've had two J22s. Both were reliable little plinkers.
The Ruger is in a different class. It is pistol that your grandkids will still be shooting 100k+ rounds after you are dust.

Same with the P11 vs. the MK9.
There is a huge quality gap in the two guns.

I consider the Kahr to be a belt gun, but then I also considered both of the P11s that I had, to be belt guns.
To me the P11 is too large, and when loaded, too heavy for pocket carry. I also find the MK9 to be heavy for pocket carry.
Many don't agree with me on this, but I think everyone agrees that either will disappear in a good IWB holster.

But, trust me on this, a Kahr is certainly worth $200 more than a KelTec.

Several police departments have approved Kahr guns for backup carry. Have any approved a KelTec?
There certainly may be some, but I haven't heard of any.

The KelTec gunsmith told me that they don't recommend Wolf ammo for their guns. The last one that I had wouldn't feed Wolf very well.
WalMart has Winchester white box 9mm for less than $12 for 100rds.
Many have stated that P11s won't shoot that either.

My Kahr cost $250 more, and weighs 8oz more. It has a trigger that I get emotional about, and I can't find ammo that it won't feed.
Partly because of the KelTec trigger, good accuracy is hard to acheive with that gun. I was impressed with the Kahr accuracy after I had fired one magazine.

You pays your money, and you makes your choice.

;)
 
I agree wholeheartedly with what mini14jac said.
I think the NYPD recently approved the Kahr for backup/off duty use after very rigorous testing and evaluation.
Quality costs money. When it comes to protecting your life (isn't that what concealed carry is all about?), I don't think going with the cheapest option makes much sense.
 
I've seen'em used for less than $200

You can pick up a good used one for probably $200 or less but beware, some of the used ones could be "lemons." I sold my P11 because it was one of those rare "lemons." I've heard the newer ones are much-much better than the older serials. This is a gun that may require some tinkering and ammo experimenting before it is dead-reliable. I'll guess that "most" of the shooters out there are happy with theirs. If you get a good one, they're hard to beat because you get 11 rounds of 9mm in a very small concealable package for cheap.
 
No Kahr bashing here. First, again, there is a huge difference between the MK9 and the P11. They are TOTALLY different in almost every way...the only thing they have in common is caliber. So why try to compare them?

Instead compare Kahr polymer to Kel-Tec polymer. Kahr polymer can be a POS...just read some of the posts on this board. My P11 has been totally reliable, and with a trigger stop, pretty accurate.

The P11 barely larger than the MK9...not really a valid point...

Kel-Tecs are widely authorized for backup (both P32 and P11)...the question is, what are LEOs carrying? Many carry the P32 because they don't want their backup to be a brick.
 
Down here in coastal area Alabama several officers use the Kel-Tec 9mm for backup. Some a 38 special revolver & there are a few others but I'm not sure of the manuf, model, cal ect..
Some choose according to the method of carry, ankle holster, kevlar vest pocket & whatever other way's are used. An advantage to the Kel-Tec is it's being so thin.
Someone mentioned a problem with accuracy, After a few shoots I find I'm pretty good with my little Kel-Tec 9mm - just took a little practice as it's so much smaller than my duty weapon.
 
The P11 is a pistol that you certainly won't hate, and I'll bet you end up loving it like I do! It's a simple, elegant, and ingenious design that you can admire. The opportunity you will have to remove any warts and blemishes you find is more likely to endear it to you than otherwise.

Just remember that it's a steel slide, aluminum frame, polymer grip variety of "plastic fantastic." Anything with polymer in it isn't going to be as robust as an all steel gun. However, the Kahr P9 and Taurus PT111 are constructed with steel slides and polymer frames/grips. Odds are the P11 will outlast either of them.

Bottom line: If you don't like your P11, you might take a slight financial sprinkling replacing it with something else. If you don't like a Kahr, etc., you could be facing a bath....
 
I used to carry a Beretta M21A Bobcat in .22LR but I wanted more zip than a .22

So I looked long and hard at many different pistols but I finally settled on the Kahr MK9.

Yes, it is damn heavy but it is a wonderful little gun. It shoots like a dream and is tremendously accurate for such a small gun/barrel.

With the right holster, you won't notice the extra weight. I carry mine with a pocket holster or S.O.B. Great gun.

PG
 
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