blackmaxx85
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I was given 500 127 gr hard cast bullets that are sized to .356, but I can't find any load data for them. I need help with powder, charge weight, and seating depth. I will be shooting them out of 3.8 xdm9.
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9mm load data
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jsflagstad
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I load similar bullets and I push them with Blue Dot.
I'd use data from my reloading manuals for 124-125 gr lead bullets, starting load data. OAL from a similar shape/profile bullet and confirm with a "plunk test"...
This is exactly what I do with mine.
I pour my own from several different manufacturers molds, and even with the same alloy at the same temp, they don't always hit the same weight as what the mold was designed for. That said somtimes they run a touch light sometimes they run a touch heavy, don't get the wrong idea, they drop consistant from the molds just maybe the alloy or heat is different. This causes the weight difference in the whole batch not individual bullet.
I settled on one load using Bullseye and it works great for all of them. It might give the3 heavier ones a bit more juice, and the lighter ones a bit less, but none of the loads are close to being overpressured.
The key thing is how well they are going to shoot in your barrel. So don't load up more than around 20 at a time until you find what your looking for or your sure the combination isn't going to lead your barrel up.
There are no rules, but my experience is:
If they're lead bullets, then you use the same data for 124-125gn bullets for bullets up to 129gn (or 130gn data for bullets from 126-134n, as you can ALWAYS use data for heavier bullets). If they were jacketed, you would drop the 124-125gn data by 2-3% or look for 130gn data.
Lead bullets have NEVER been very weight sensitive over a few grains and have never been very size sensitive as long as they are at least 0.001" over actual groove diameter--jacketed are a bit more sensitive. I have loaded 130gn bullets (that came out of a "125 grain" mold), and the 125gn data worked just fine.
No matter what, you start at the starting load and work up looking for pressure signs (case expansion, case head expansion, primers appearance, bolt/ejector/extractor marks, felt recoil, distance cases are ejected).
Seating depth? Who cares. It is COL that you want and that is found by making a couple of inert dummy rounds and starting as max COL and working down to find the COL range that permits 100% feeding and chambering of these bullets.
Powders? Look in your manual. If you don't have a manual--run down and buy Lyman's cast bullet manual.
You will need to parse this data and verify with manuals, but here is my 130gn Lead data for 9x19:
Bullet Weight Powder Weight Velocity Note P.F. COL
LCFP 130 231/HP38 2.6 990 Start 129
LCFP 130 231/HP38 4.1 1133 Max 147
Ohaus Lead 130 231/HP38 4.2 1028 134 1.130
L-RN 130 AA2 3.6 895 Start 116
L-RN 130 AA2 4.0 1017 Max 132
Ohaus Lead 130 AA2 4.3 1025 Max 133 1.130
L-RN 130 AA5 5.4 1018 Start 132
L-RN 130 AA5 6.0 1157 Max 150
LCFP 130 AA7 6.8 1016 Start 132
L-RN 130 AA7 7.4 1030 Start 134
LCFP 130 AA7 7.7 1191 Max 155
L-RN 130 AA7 8.2 1170 Max 152
LCFP 130 Blue Dot 5.8 969 Start 126
LCFP 130 Blue Dot 6.5 1089 Max 142
Ohaus Lead 130 Blue Dot 7.0 1045 136 1.130
LCFP 130 Bullseye 3.4 977 Start 127
Ohaus Lead 130 Bullseye 3.7 1003 130 1.130
LCFP 130 Bullseye 3.7 1049 Max 136
Ohaus Lead 130 Bullseye 3.8 1020 133 1.130
LCFP 130 Clays 2.2 787 Start 102
LCFP 130 Clays 3.2 1021 Max 133
Ohaus Lead 130 Green Dot 4.0 1002 Acc 130 1.130
Ohaus Lead 130 Herco 5.4 1117 Acc 145 1.130
LCFP 130 HS6 5.1 997 Start 130
Ohaus Lead 130 HS6 5.4 938 Acc 122 1.130
LCFP 130 HS6 5.6 1097 Max 143
L-RN 130 N320 3.8 0
L-SWC 130 P804 4.0 787 102
Ohaus Lead 130 PB 3.5 943 Acc 123 1.130
Ohaus Lead 130 Red Dot 3.6 972 126 1.130
Ohaus Lead 130 SR4756 5.0 972 Acc 126 1.130
LCFP 130 SR4756 5.0 982 Start 128
LCFP 130 SR4756 5.6 1097 Max 143
Ohaus Lead 130 SR7625 3.7 972 126 1.130
Ohaus Lead 130 SR7625 4.0 1011 Acc 131 1.130
LCFP 130 Unique 3.5 972 Start 126
LCFP 130 Unique 4.0 1084 Max 141
Ohaus Lead 130 Unique 4.5 995 129 1.130
Ohaus Lead 130 Unique 4.8 1035 135 1.130
LCFP 130 WSF 3.8 888 Start 115
LCFP 130 WSF 4.4 1047 Max 136
If they're lead bullets, then you use the same data for 124-125gn bullets for bullets up to 129gn (or 130gn data for bullets from 126-134n, as you can ALWAYS use data for heavier bullets). If they were jacketed, you would drop the 124-125gn data by 2-3% or look for 130gn data.
Lead bullets have NEVER been very weight sensitive over a few grains and have never been very size sensitive as long as they are at least 0.001" over actual groove diameter--jacketed are a bit more sensitive. I have loaded 130gn bullets (that came out of a "125 grain" mold), and the 125gn data worked just fine.
No matter what, you start at the starting load and work up looking for pressure signs (case expansion, case head expansion, primers appearance, bolt/ejector/extractor marks, felt recoil, distance cases are ejected).
Seating depth? Who cares. It is COL that you want and that is found by making a couple of inert dummy rounds and starting as max COL and working down to find the COL range that permits 100% feeding and chambering of these bullets.
Powders? Look in your manual. If you don't have a manual--run down and buy Lyman's cast bullet manual.
You will need to parse this data and verify with manuals, but here is my 130gn Lead data for 9x19:
Bullet Weight Powder Weight Velocity Note P.F. COL
LCFP 130 231/HP38 2.6 990 Start 129
LCFP 130 231/HP38 4.1 1133 Max 147
Ohaus Lead 130 231/HP38 4.2 1028 134 1.130
L-RN 130 AA2 3.6 895 Start 116
L-RN 130 AA2 4.0 1017 Max 132
Ohaus Lead 130 AA2 4.3 1025 Max 133 1.130
L-RN 130 AA5 5.4 1018 Start 132
L-RN 130 AA5 6.0 1157 Max 150
LCFP 130 AA7 6.8 1016 Start 132
L-RN 130 AA7 7.4 1030 Start 134
LCFP 130 AA7 7.7 1191 Max 155
L-RN 130 AA7 8.2 1170 Max 152
LCFP 130 Blue Dot 5.8 969 Start 126
LCFP 130 Blue Dot 6.5 1089 Max 142
Ohaus Lead 130 Blue Dot 7.0 1045 136 1.130
LCFP 130 Bullseye 3.4 977 Start 127
Ohaus Lead 130 Bullseye 3.7 1003 130 1.130
LCFP 130 Bullseye 3.7 1049 Max 136
Ohaus Lead 130 Bullseye 3.8 1020 133 1.130
LCFP 130 Clays 2.2 787 Start 102
LCFP 130 Clays 3.2 1021 Max 133
Ohaus Lead 130 Green Dot 4.0 1002 Acc 130 1.130
Ohaus Lead 130 Herco 5.4 1117 Acc 145 1.130
LCFP 130 HS6 5.1 997 Start 130
Ohaus Lead 130 HS6 5.4 938 Acc 122 1.130
LCFP 130 HS6 5.6 1097 Max 143
L-RN 130 N320 3.8 0
L-SWC 130 P804 4.0 787 102
Ohaus Lead 130 PB 3.5 943 Acc 123 1.130
Ohaus Lead 130 Red Dot 3.6 972 126 1.130
Ohaus Lead 130 SR4756 5.0 972 Acc 126 1.130
LCFP 130 SR4756 5.0 982 Start 128
LCFP 130 SR4756 5.6 1097 Max 143
Ohaus Lead 130 SR7625 3.7 972 126 1.130
Ohaus Lead 130 SR7625 4.0 1011 Acc 131 1.130
LCFP 130 Unique 3.5 972 Start 126
LCFP 130 Unique 4.0 1084 Max 141
Ohaus Lead 130 Unique 4.5 995 129 1.130
Ohaus Lead 130 Unique 4.8 1035 135 1.130
LCFP 130 WSF 3.8 888 Start 115
LCFP 130 WSF 4.4 1047 Max 136
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