92fs vs cz75b vs bhp

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hi guys,

at the moment i'm in the market for my first 2
target guns. i'm already sold to walther ksp200
for target 22lr but i'm a bit confused which one
to get amongs 92fs, cz75b, browing hipower.

if these three pistols are in the same price range, which one would you choose? (considering
accuracy and reliability).

hoping for a lots of response....

thank you very much to everybody.
 
No if's ands or buts the CZ75b wins it all hands down..Best feel
in hand and fantastic accuracy..Trigger is better than either of your other choices..Plus the CZ just might be a bit less expensive
than the others leaving you a bit more ammo money..
CZ are addictive so be forwarned,one is never enough..
CZ75b in 9mm is the best there is..
 
I chose the 75B a few weeks ago over the others. Mine's having problems, but if they fix it, I will really like it. Fits my hand better than anything, has a nice trigger, and looks czexy.

EDIT: Oh, and factory hicaps are still available for only about $40. That's a big issue to me.
 
If you want a target pistol go with the CZ 85 Combat.

It is essentially a factory tricked out 75 made to shoot targets with.

I have a couple of Browning HP's and I really like them but they are not tack drivers. Not bad, but not what I would call a target pistol.

I have never shot the big beretta so I can not offer you a comment there.
 
Look at this this way.

A new CZ-75 will run you about $375, give or take. Don't pay more than $400 for one, though.

A new Beretta 92 runs from $550 to $750, depending on model and finish.

As for the Hi-Power, I can't tell you how much one would cost because I've never seen a new one for sale in a shop. A lot of dealers have a hard time getting them these days, as I think Browning isn't importing them this year (but someone else is).
 
CZ-75b all the way! When shopping for my first pistol, I rented a 92fs and CZ-75, and the difference was like night and day. The CZ was more accurate, had less felt recoil, has better ergonomics, has better balance, is easier to conceal, and the FRIGGEN SAFETY IS ACTUALLY EASY TO USE!

I honestly would not be able to count on getting a beretta safety off in hurry if I needed to. Not only is the direction wrong, but it is way too high and far back.

On my CZ-75b, I can carry cocked and locked and with one flick of my thumb I am ready for action!
 
I own a CZ 85 Combat that has had a trigger job and recrown. Friend just got a Beretta 92 FS. Never a fan, but it's a better gun, and should be since it's $100-150 more. I don't like the safety on the slide, though. I'd take a SIG P226 over either, but they're another $100 still.

Do you mean a target gun, or a range gun? For blasting away at the range, get the CZ if it fits your hand well, a Beretta if you think you'll resell or want to collect. Not a bad one in the bunch.

Here's the Gun Week comparison of these two pistols. Have fun Gun Week Comparison of Beretta 92 versus CZ 75.
 
I bought the BHP Standard first, adjustable sights. I then bought the CZ75BD, decocking only, no safety. I also bought the Kadet .22 kit for the CZ. The CZ75 and the Kadet cost the same as the BHP, about $650. I won't sell either. The CZ shots slightly better groups in 9mm. It shoots much better in .22 than my Ruger Mk II. I got the high capacity mags in 9mm, one with the gun and three from a dealer, 15 rounds each. If I were doing it again I would probably buy the CZ85 Combat and put the Kadet kit with it. Then I would think about the CZ 75 SAO in .40, then the CZ.....oops, drooling on line again:)
 
Hello. The best I can do to answer your question is to give you my observations on the three pistols you mention. Which feels or looks the best is subjective; what is "best" feeling for me might very well not be for you. Hopefully, you'll be able to handle all three.

First, I've only owned about 3 Beretta M92 series guns in my life. One was the old, original version with the frame mounted safety, one was a compact and one was the 92F. All were utterly reliable and more accurate than expected, but I didn't care for either their looks, feel, or the number of internal parts compared to the other two guns. I'm not knocking the Berettas, only saying that they don't do it for me. You might really like them. Of the three you mention, the Beretta may still offer the chrome-lined bbl.

Been shooting Browning HPs for over 30 years. Of the three, they have the fewest internal parts and are quite simple to detail strip should that be an issue. Lots of aftermarket parts, should that be important and quality original capacity magazines can be had for less than many of the newer "high capacity" 9mm pistols.
Several "name" gunsmiths also customize the BHP. All of the MkIII HPs and their variants have very good groups for me and meet the accuracy standards I require, but they would not be a first choice for competition bullseye shooting of serious nature. Neither would any of the three, but all of them generally offer extremely good "service" accuracy in my estimation.

I've tricked out a few HPs over the years including Barsto, fitted, match bbls and on the older guns I have, a '71 & '72, they did tighten groups, particularly with cast or plated bullet handloads. With jacketed rounds, I noted little difference, but there was some improvement.

Comparing against the MkIII pistols, I've noted that the newer guns do tend to group darned well with their factory bbls and have seen no need to replace the bbls. With Load A, the old Barsto HP might outgroup a MkIII and its factory bbl, but with a load that the MkIII "likes," it might very well outgroup the other gun with its fitted bbl. Go figure.

My CZ75 pistols are my favorite of the world's DA/SA pistols that I've tried. Accuracy has been fine and reliability virtually 100% with decent ammunition...as has been the case with the MkIII HPs out of the box.

Like the MkIII fixed sight HP, the current CZ75/85B series have decent fixed sights that are quite usable right out of the box. The CZ75 Pre-B sights were not nearly so visible at speed. I had a set of Novaks added to my CZ75 and use an 18lb recoil spring as I shoot quite a few warm to hot handloads and +P ammunition in mine. Been shooting it since the early '80s with no problems.

Internally, the CZ does have more parts than the HP and it is more difficult to detail strip, though field-stripping with any of the three pistols you mention is plenty easy.

Both the current HPs and CZs have internal firing pin safeties. I prefer the one on the HP to the CZs as it doesn't seem to glitch up the trigger pull right at the single-action break as does the CZ, at least to me. On the other hand, the CZ doesn't have the BHP's magazine disconnect that adds both weight and grit to the trigger pull.

All of my CZs have original bbls although I have had some of them hardchromed. All shoot plenty accurately for me.

The BHP is a bit more compact, but not by so much that there's a big difference.

This could go on and on, but you get the idea.

I've included some pictures that might provide some information as to grouping as well as size between the BHP and the CZ75. I don't own a Beretta 92 at present, so nothing to photograph for comparison.

Best and good luck.


Pre-B CZ75 with group fired at 15 yards with selected handload.
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Very, very lightly modified BHP with 15 yard group with IMI JHP ammunition.

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Slightly more customized with another 15 yard group. Plenty accurate enough for me, but NOT to match standards.

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BHP (top) compared to CZ75 from the top.

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BHP to CZ from side:

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...and from the bottom.

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So, hope this is of use. In the end, pick what YOU like and what's "best" for you.

Good luck and good shooting.

Best.
 
This is interesting. I've never owned a 9mm, but have felt a need to add one to the collection, and these three were the ones I was thinking about. Frankly, I expected the HP to be rated the best overall (the ones I've shot have been pretty near ideal), but the CZ to be the rated best for the money. Yet the concensus seems to be CZ without regard to cost.

Aw, nuts, I've run out of excuses. Time to save up $700 -- $350 for me and $350 for my wife. Guns are expensive in my house. I can buy as many as I want, but my wife (not entirely unreasonably) expects her discretionary account to be credited in an equal amount.
 
Hello.

The range was 15 yards, standing, 2-hand hold.

I do prefer the HP, but that might not be the right choice for another person.

Best.
 
"Aw, nuts, I've run out of excuses. Time to save up $700 -- $350 for me and $350 for my wife. Guns are expensive in my house. I can buy as many as I want, but my wife (not entirely unreasonably) expects her discretionary account to be credited in an equal amount."

Dan, don't stop there. You'll need another $210 times two for a pair of CZ Kadet .22lr adapter kits for your CZ75B pistols. But then you can sell your pair of Ruger MKIIs which will have become redundant.

--spiros
 
I have all three pistols. The Beretta is OK, I think it is a little large for a 9mm, and I don't shoot it often. My shooting buddy swears by his and he outshoots me regularly.

A little over a year ago I bought a new HP and had the barrel recrowned, MMC adjustable sights installed, and a little trigger work done to lighten the pull. With my own handloads, I'm pretty impressed with its accuracy. I get slightly larger groups than that shown in the pictures above for the HP at 15 yards (but I use sandbags on a windless day when I've had no coffee and nice steady nerves to get a group like that :^)

At 15 yds. with a two handed grip, I shoot my out-of-the-box CZ 85 Combat better than the HP, and the 85 is just slightly better than the 75B military model. The grip on the CZs just seem to have a better feel and, although the trigger doesn't break as cleanly as the HP, it is very consistent, feels exactly the same on both pistols, and it seems to have a lighter pull than the HP (but I've never measured it.)

I'd highly recommend the CZ 75. It's an outstanding value for the money.
 
QA Commando posted my answer: I also own all three guns. The Beretta is very reliable but not as accurate (I believe because of the looser barrel system). I have always found the CZ-85 to be more accurate and much easier to shoot straight than my BHP. I shoot the CZ every week, it's a great gun. I also shoot the Beretta but don't bother to go beyond 17 yards as it 's a waste of ammo.
 
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