91/30 questions

tahunua001

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hello all,
I bought my brother in laws Enfield No4 last weekend and I think I caught an STD from it(shooting transmitted disease). I love that thing to death but ammo is kindof on the expensive side for a fun gun so I was thinking about getting a mosin nagant to plink with and just bring the enfield out for special occasions. I just have a few questions.

the enfield is a fairly basic design, how simple is the 91/30 to maintain and clean?

is there anything I need to look out for when I am shopping around?

I've heard a couple guys say that they kick like a mule, how is recoil compared to 303 brit or 3006?
 
how simple is the 91/30 to maintain and clean?

If millions of Russian peasants managed it, I am sure you can manage.

Really, it is pretty simple.

I heard it kicked like a mule ..... I don't think the PPU rounds (150gr SP clocking about 2800 f/sec on my Chrony) I shot were bad at all ...... my .270 WIN deer hunting handloads kick more...... but recoil is mostly subjective: There are those that think the AR-15 is a monster......
 
I was at the Rio Solado range in AZ a couple of years ago, and happened to get a bench next to a nice couple from the PHX area. he was shooting a 91/30, she was shooting an M-44. Neither complained about the recoil, and they must have gone through a hundred rounds between the two of them that afternoon.

The MN is not exactly the most sophisticated action around, but they seem to really work well, and the rifles and ammo is still cheap. What's not to love?
 
I don't think you'll find a simpler, more robust bolt action rifle than the Mosin. If illiterate Soviet peasant conscripts can't tear it up, I doubt you can.

The 7.62x54r round is roughly the equivalent of a 30.06. It has a hefty kick, but it's not a problem in the full-length 91/30. After shooting about forty or fifty rounds, my shoulder is tingling, and I'm flinching a bit. The shorter lighter carbines really do pack a wallop though.
 
Not difficult to maintain at all. If you get one with a clean barrel (as most of them, miraculously, seem to have), it will shoot great. Just make sure to flush out the corrosive salts if you use the cheap milsurp ammo with corrosive primers. It can be had as cheaply as .17/round. The Russians used it, and the guns are still around. This gun is a classic, and you'll not regret buying one. I have ... a few.

The recoil of the Mosin-Nagant depends somewhat on the model. There are several iterations, but the WWII era M91/30's are selling like hotcakes as cheaply as $80 - $100. These have a 28½" barrel, and I've yet to see one with a barrel that wasn't in very good shape. I'm very small, and the recoil is just "fun". Probably just slightly less than a domestically manufactured .308 since the ammo is nearly identical, but the weight is greater.

To answer your question more specifically, recoil for the M91/30 would be less than 30-06 for sure. Very similar to .303 British (which I have shot). I took a guy shooting with me for the first time ever and he's little like me (I'm 5'1" and 125#). He'd never shot a gun in his LIFE, and he loved shooting the Mosin.

The M38 had eight inches lobbed off the barrel. They added a folding bayonet, and it became the M44. These have greater recoil and the M44 is known for its dramatic muzzle flash (check youtube for videos, and look also for the videos of 7 year old kids shooting the M91/30's). My M44 is the only one I have purchased ($150) that had a rough barrel. Someone had been shooting corrosive ammo and not cleaning it properly. And even it shoots pretty well, and the barrel looks better with each cleaning. I need to adjust the front sight now that a buddy of mine has made me a tool for that purpose. It shoots consistently, but to the left.

The WWI era Mosin's have a HEX receiver and 31" barrel. I have one. Barrel looks fine. I hope I look as good at 97. Cost me $130. These rifles are worth having because the ammo is cheap, the rifles are accurate and fun to fire, and the history of the Mosin-Nagant is remarkable.

If you are shopping in person for them, pull out the bolt and check out the barrel. If you have to order by mail, then you might want to check with Kentucky Gun Company in Bardstown before their price goes up. They brought in 2000 (100 cases), and had 400 left a couple of weeks ago when I was there and bought some. A friend of mine in California bought one from them, and was so happy he ordered two more. Once those are gone, the price will go up to $99 on the next batch, according to what they told me.

The M91/30 is probably your best bet to start. They're abundant and cheap. Upkeep is simple. Spare parts can even be had on Ebay (probably cannibalized from damaged rifles, but there were at least 17 million produced). Look online. There are LOTS of Mosin fanatics, and there's a lot of info available. Get in on the fun.
 
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I had a 91/30 for a year or two.
It's cheap to feed, and easy to clean. I just put some windex or water down the bore, then cleaned as usual. It never rusted that I remember.
Recoil wasn't that bad at all. It has a great sight radius, so it's a fun iron sight shooter. Mine would do about 3" benched at 100yds in my less than capable hands.
My main annoyance was that it was very sensitive to ammo changes, with great POI changes between say Czech silvertip light ball (get out your mallet to open the bolt), Hungarian heavy ball, Albanian (hope it chambers!) and Wolf/Barnaul/Tula new manufacture ammo. I could never remember what I had shot last, and every range session involved guessing where POI would be.
Also, it was yet another bullet diameter to stock for reloads, and I'm not a big cock on closing fan, so I sold it off.
It is fun and inexpensive though! It's hard to beat for a rifle to experiment with loads, provided you love iron sights.
 
Aww come on, all you need is a drill press and you can have the PU sniper variant! I love mine, and you can still use the irons.

I would highly recommend getting a Mosin or five. :p
 
They're capable of pretty decent accuracy- more so when "sporterized" (best done with a run of the mill 91/30 that doesn't have any collectible value!) if you start with one that has a pristine barrel. With handloads, I use mine for steel at 600 yards and it's capable of minute of angle accuracy.

With surplus ammo bought online they're very cheap to shoot (about $80 for 440 rounds), only downside is the primers are corrosive so you need to flush the barrel immediately after shooting so as to prevent rust and pitting in the barrel.

You asked what you need to look out for, and that's it..
Since you're looking for a shooter, and not a collectible, your primary focus is on the bore.

If you have a LGS that carries them, it's worth a few extra bucks than what you'd pay online to be able to inspect rather than buying sight unseen. Bring a small penlight, if the bore's not too packed with cosmoline you might be able to get a look at it.

If buying online, I would recommend trying to get a re-arsenaled rifle.
The two I bought were absolutely pristine (and the second one, which I kept original, has a bore every bit as good as the sporter I mentioned above) and in near perfect condition. These are rifles that were thoroughly "gone over" after the war, re-blued and then packed away.

They're too cheap, accurate, and fun to shoot to not own at least one...
 
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