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I bought an air rifle that shoots 900fps for $38.00 at the Forte Wayne gun show.
It shoots great, but the workmanship is terrible.
I usually buy American, but the Chinese price was unbeatable.
Also, I can let my wifes son shoot it and not worry about him scratching it up because it already came that way.
 
I've seen these things in advertisements, and thought they were interesting. When I saw one up close and personal, well...I wasn't too impressed.

Some of the parts looked like they were made out of scrap metal found on the ground near a wreck of some kind using only a hammer and a file, and maybe a large rock or two. But what should I expect for less than 50 clams?

I might just go ahead and get one to shoot off my back porch.
 
riverrider - if you're interested in a nicer gun for just a bit more money, take a look at the SM-1000 (also marketed as b17 & b22) 2nd generation (comes in .177 &. 22) from IAR. styled after the germans but a bit longer and heavy (10lbs) but match quality accuracy.

i put a simmons varible on it the other day and shot it out the back door at 'bout 10m...i just droped the pellets on top of one another. this was off a rest as i was zeroing in my scope, haven't had a chance to try longer ranges yet. it should have the oomph to take small game out to 30-40 yds
 
9mm, can you point me to a source for this airgun? If it's just a few bucks more and a tackdriver, I'm sold!

By the way, it's a good idea to scope an airgun with a scope made specifically for airguns. Something about the recoil impulse of airguns will tear up a scope designed for use on a powder-burning firearm. I dunno why, but that's what the wise ones say!
 
i went to golden toller site and they show the gun as the xisico b21 (my mistake, i thought it was b17) for quite a bit more than i paid.

i got mine at Big 5 for <$100 last year, have seen them around $70 online and in sgn. mine was imported by IAR (international arms r...somthing) i think they have a website. for consistent accuracy i would stay with the side handle rather than the break barrel
 
This topic came at a very opportune time for me. I have spent the last couple of days looking for a good air rifle for plinking off the back porch. I had almost settled on an RWS, but the reviews here from 9mmepiphany and on dZ's link convinced me to go with the Xisico B21. I just placed the order. Oh boy, a new gun and no yellow forms to fill out!
 
RWS is my choice

I've tried many Chinese air rifles and while some can shoot almost as good, none have long-lasting accuracy and are throw-aways.

My 48 has been a great shooter on targets paper and animated. Its deadly on rabbit with hollowpoints and any pellet will bring down a crow. I've hunted squirrel, abit illegally here in Texas, and hitting in the upper chest/head area is a sure kill. It will not anchor squirrels if hit lower but they have always stuck around for a finishing shot. The pellet damage from a hollowpoint is nearly identical to that of a .22 lr solid with penetration complete unless heavy bone is hit. Yes, I hunt for the pot.

As far as accuracy goes, its 2" at 50 yards with a rear peep (Williams)and still has the velocity to split open an aluminum can at that distance. I am talking about a split from top to bottom where the halves are 1-2" apart.
 
mal h - i've been very happy with mine, especially paying and taking it home right away. i think the airgun scopes from tasco and simmons are good matches too, i got the simmons 4-12x because jerry's was out of the tasco world class air; both about <$100.

keith - i was looking at the rws too, this was going to be my first serious air rifle. i ran across the sm-1000 while looking on-line. it seemed like a safe way to test the waters at limited risk ($$$). so far its capability is still beyond my ability to hold, so i can't yet justify moving up. i understand shooting airguns differs markedly from firearms.
 
I've just ordered an SM-1000 (B21) for $135, as all the reviews online seem to indicate that it's the best and most powerful Chinese air rifle to be had. It supposedly can fire a 177 cal pellet at close to 1000 FPS. Now, I can practice with it in my apartment and out the window, and with the real guns at the range.
 
New pellets

I just bought some Beeman Silver Bear pellets on a whim. In my RWS 48 at 10 m they are incredibly accurate only when firmly seated in the breech (side lever, FYI). 5 shots, extreme edge to edge were 0.224"! Yes, the group barely admitted one of my 80 gr SMK's!

The spread is only 0.05" and this is about 1/2 MOA.

Longer ranges aren't too good as I suspect going subsonic is bad for accuracy.

Try THAT with the Chinese air rifles. Yes, that's with a 0.052" front sight post and FP rear peep.
 
RWS.....excellent rifle for the money.

I have an RWS model 36 in .177 cal. This rifle is VERY accurate. Used in conjunction with Beeman Silver Arrow pellets (11.5 gr.), this rifle can take squirrels, rabbits etc, with no problem.
I experimented with different pellets and found mine really likes the Silver Arrow and Crow Magnum from Beeman. Heavier pellets seem to work better for me.

kgs.
 
Xisico B21 report

I got my B21 airgun and gave it a tryout today.

First a note on Golden Toller Airguns. I placed my order for the gun and pellets the night of the 16th by internet and received everything on the morning of the 19th. He must have packed it that night and had it ready for UPS by first AM on the 17th! That's the kind of service I like.

The airgun is just what I expected in terms of fit and finish in that I wasn't expecting the quality of an RWS (and paid several hundred less for it). I feel the gun is worth what I paid for it, maybe more.

I wasn't able to try it out until today due to the two days of rain we had. If you saw the inauguration events, you know what I mean.

I ordered 3 different pellets - Beeman Kodiaks, RWS Superdomes, and Eley Wasps. I shot groups of 5 at 30 meters (33 yards) because that was the distance I had thought Keith had reported when he got his very fine groups. Now I see it was ten meters! I think I had translated 10m to feet at the time in my mind and that was what I remembered. Oh well, so much for memory. So this was a 30m test. I will try it at 10m later and see how the groups improve. I will also try some heavier pellets as Keith and kgs suggest like the Silver Bear or Silver Arrow. I know practically nothing about which pellets to buy so I took a couple of Golden Tollers suggestions.

I didn't set up my bench rest equipment, only used a Bud's Bulls Bag on a stool because that is how I plan to use it. I used the supplied front post and rear notch sights. The rear sight is fully adjustable for height and windage.

Best group was the RWS Superdomes at 1.4" (best 3 = .56")
Next was the Beeman Kodiak at 1.7" (best 3 = .34")
The Eley Wasps were all over the map. I think they are too light for good accuracy at that distance. Best group of several tries was 2.75" (best 3 = 1.4").

All in all, I think it will do exactly what I bought it for - to keep crows out of the garden at roughly 30 yards. Well actually they might get in the garden, but I doubt they will leave on their own. :)
 
mal h - the accuracy will improve after 200 rounds, the chamber/barrel need to settle in. i'm also using it in my backyard and i'm not patient enough to wait.

have you noticed the crack and smoke when you fire off a round? i understand that is the oil being ignited in the chamber by the heated air. this is said to cause the velocity to vary due to the buring rate of the oil.

i think the squirrels heard my sighting in, seem to be avoiding the yard...maybe the cats have been lucky lately.
 
9mmepiphany.........

Be careful with that situation you describe as a "crack and smoke" when you fire off a round....that is what is referred to as "dieseling." And yes, it is the oil exploding as a result the heat generated by the compression of air in the cylinder. They do make special oil with a very high flash point for air guns that experience this problem. The bad news :( is that prolonged dieseling can destroy your cylinder, so be aware.


kgs.
 
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