870 Slam-Fire 'Mod' ?

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Anarx

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Hey guys my friend and I just bought new shotguns. I got a 870 Express Mag and he got a Hawk *Norinco* M98 (almost total 870 clone) we went and even swaped the parts around to see how much they are alike and everything on my 870 fit into the M98.

But he would like to convert it over to slam fire we found a way to disconnect the lock on the slide and tried that and it didn't work we get the feeling the the hammer just rides the bolt up every time and doesnt "hit" the Primer, it just rests on it.

is there something we missed? we are sure that the hammer is releasing be its just not geting the full swing.. will this be able to fire even though?
it would just be REAL fun to cycle through all 6 rounds in just a couple of seconds.

this shotgun is just for blowing ammo and home defense it's to have fun and hit the "rock and roll swich" any help is greatly appreciated.
 
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Your out of luck.
The Remington 870 was specifically designed to prevent "slam-fire" and and to prevent the action from being modified to do so.

There have long been rumors that Remington once offered "slam-Fire" capable guns to the police, but no one has ever seen one, and Remington says it's a "Urban Legend" myth.

If you want a slam-fire gun, you'll have to find something other than a Remington.
 
My Ithaca '87 is not slam-fire. That's fine. Gives me all the more reason to practice with the pump. I've seen folks empty pumps as fast as a semi in deliberate aimed fire. All targets dropped...
 
Such a modification appears, in my admittedly limited experience with shotguns other than my Remington 870 Marine Magnum, to be a rather unsafe maneuver that could result in injury or death of the unintended kind. It may also be illegal. In any event, once effected and put to use in a defensive context, you can bet your sweet a** you'll be sued big time at the very least.
 
Yes, it sounds like you could easily have a shell fire out of battery doing this, blowing apart your shotgun and possibly the shooter.
 
There exiist such shotguns and there's even a short barreled version. The Secret Service uses one with a 4 round mag and a foreward grip attached to the pump. All they have to do is hold the trigger down while pumping the slide and will get all 5 (one in the chamber) off real quick. I think Serbu makes one for sale to the public. Takes an AOW stamp though because (I think at least) of the portruding forward grip. I saw a video of it being fired and it look just like a regular pump shotgun thats been altered a little.
 
Up until the 1980s, Ithaca model 37s could be slam fired.

If the shotgun is designed that way originally, firing out of battery won't be an issue.

Modifying a shotgun to try to make it happen? That't not really an intelligent thing to do, in my opinion.

Frankly, you gain absolutely NOTHING by having a shotgun that will slam fire.

In all the years that I've had access to a 37 (my Father's) and all the times that I've shot it, I've only slamfired it two or three times, just to show friends that A) it can be done, and B) it's generally uncontrollable as hell.
 
If you want a slamfire, get one of those cheapy WW1 trench shotguns.
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I guess what reasonable folks are getting at is, reconsider your hairbrained idea of "fun" and ultimately ass-brained idea of inducing slam-fire in a pump. Practice and technique, art in other words, will do...

Darwin awards anyone?
 
Romulus,
Guess your right. Kinda like wanting a semiauto 10 guage with magnum loads converted to full auto. It'd just shoot a bunch of holes in the roof but might be a good idea for shoting at a dense flock of birds. That's it though.
 
slam fire mod

Slam fire is as most everyone said......dangerous. I once experienced a slam fire in an older model pump shotgun, I was jacking shells out of the receiver to unload rather than
pushing the little botton on the side made for that purpose.

The barrel was pointed skyward, the butt on my leg too near the groin area. You get on the trigger by chance jacking shells from the magazine to the chamber and out and it goes BOOM.

Groins and attachments are not engineered for shotgun recoil and that's the rest of the story.
 
Geez OP Romulus, you're one cranky ol dude:

I guess what reasonable folks are getting at is, reconsider your hairbrained idea of "fun"
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So for all those many years, both Ithaca and everyone who bought a model 37 was also hare-brained? As in rabbit, not follicles.

Attn: If something ain't Romulus's idea of fun, no one else can reasonably do it either; everyone got that?
 
FF,
touche' on all counts, except the ass-brained (as in donkeys, not bottoms) of tinkering with a trigger group engineered not-to slam-fire, unlike the Ithaca.
 
If you want a slamfire, get one of those cheapy WW1 trench shotguns.
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I don't think there's anything cheap, quality or price, about those WW I Trench Guns.

If you want slam fire, get an older Ithaca.
 
I don't think there's anything cheap, quality or price, about those WW I Trench Guns.
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My first thought was the same, but then I gave him the benefit of the doubt and guessed he's thinking of the Norinco/IAC clones...maybe not.

My third thought was that even if #2 was right, I am not sure I want to be doing that with a Chinese shotgun...
 
I guess what reasonable folks are getting at is, reconsider your hairbrained idea of "fun" and ultimately ass-brained idea of inducing slam-fire in a pump. Practice and technique, art in other words, will do...
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well i shouldent even address this as its in derect violation of the code of conduct on this forum... but please keep your jack ass coments to your self..

i am a perfectly compatent person i have worked on cars for quite a long time from the ground up and a firearm in considerablly simpler, it is rather easy to tell when something wouldent be safe hence the "mod" not being preformed..

anyway guys my friend is selling his shotgun now anywho and it makes no differnce..
 
Those "cheapy" WWI trench shotguns are Winchester Model 97's and some sell for over $5k these days. They will slam fire, though, as will many other pump shotguns, especially the older ones. In fact, police once trained in using the guns that way for mob control. There is no special danger to the shooter (the folks in front of the gun are another story), since the gun was designed to allow slam fire and is fully locked before the hammer is released.

That might not be true of a gun worked over in a home shop, and firing out of battery will finish the gun and maybe cause serious injury.

Jim
 
"ITHACA" model 37

Hello:
The way to go is pick up a older model Ithaca model 37. These were a slam fire and a better shot gun to me.. Regards, Hammer It.
 
Disconnectors were put in to stop the gun from firing BEFORE lockup.

If you want to create an UNSAFE 870 (very idiotic) you had better be very adept with a TIG weld in very tight spaces and a knowledge of metalurgy.

BHP9
 
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