norinco made a great AK (56s, 84s, mak 90, etc). they definitely earned their rice bowl on them. my brothers sks has held up great as well.
no idea on the shotgun copies though. the used 870s that i find usually cost $100 more. but they are 'more workable' by smiths and can be converted to 3" from 2.75"
[Edited by cuerno de chivo on 12-22-2000 at 03:05 PM]