71 year old marine still has it.....

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I'm sure most of us remember reading about this one a few years ago, the reason I bring it up was I posted about this in the swat section replying to an "old timers" remarks about old age and self defense.

What sickens me is when I was looking for the article on the Marine I found out the family of the robbers said the Marine went too far.


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That newspaper or news station needs to get about 200 angry calls from folks wondering just what they are doing giving interviews to the miscreants' families looking for sympathy or a lawsuit.
 
you wouldn't find anything unless he was formally charged and tehre was a court case to follow. What I see is the Marine was never charged.
If you want, look for the surviving BG. He should have been charged with murder for his partners death, along with armed robbery, asault, asualt with a deadly weapon..etc etc...
 
This was a case of poetic justice being served to the two punks.
Semper Fi to the 71 year old Marine.
 
USMC, takin out the garbage since 1775! I did find it weird that the Det. said the man was in fear for his life then said the old military guys aren't afraid of anything.
 
I did find it weird that the Det. said the man was in fear for his life then said the old military guys aren't afraid of anything.
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Legal posturing.

In most SD situations if the person defending themselves can make a legitimate case that they feared they, or a loved one would be harmed, then it is ususlly justifiable to use deadly force to defend yourself. Different states and communities interpret the law slightly different.

By stating he feared for his life, he was basically setting the table legally to help the guy prove his actions were justified. Doesn't mean he was actually in "fear", just a way of saying he had a legitimate reason to believe harm would come to him if he didn't take action.

If you ever have to defend yourself it will be much easier on you to tell investigators you were "afraid for your life" when you shot, rather than "I gave that SOB what he deserved for messing with me". Even though you may actually feel like the 2nd statement is more accurate, and that is how you actually feel. Statements like that will come back to bite you later in court.
 
The retired marine and the robbers American Handgunner July-August, 2009 by Massad Ayoob

Above is a good article on the incident. I remember it being discussed here at the time it happened.

He did the right thing, it was universally thought to be so, except by the robbers mother.
 
By stating he feared for his life, he was basically setting the table legally to help the guy prove his actions were justified. Doesn't mean he was actually in "fear", just a way of saying he had a legitimate reason to believe harm would come to him if he didn't take action.

If you ever have to defend yourself it will be much easier on you to tell investigators you were "afraid for your life" when you shot, rather than "I gave that SOB what he deserved for messing with me".
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I understand this. What I'm saying is I find it odd the Det. said this in public, possibly undermining the defense's case. Prosecutor: "Which is it? Is he afraid or isn't he?" When law enforcement officials say seemingly contradicting things, almost in the same breath, it can taint the case.
 
Is he afraid or isn't he?
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Answer to prosecutor: "He was in fear for his life, which doesn't mean that he had to be crying and laying in a fetal position on the floor, begging for mercy. He wasn't afraid to do what he had to do to protect himself and perhaps others. He's a HERO sir, many times over..."
 
I did find it weird that the Det. said the man was in fear for his life then said the old military guys aren't afraid of anything.
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Think of it this way:

When "those old military guys" are in fear for their lives...
things have really hit the fan.

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Even punks have families. It is no surprise to me that their loved ones object. That's simply par for the course- regardless of you wrong they are. To argue that the victim did wrong however is a perversion of logic. The punks are suffering consequences of their actions, nothing more, nothing less
 
Even punks have families. It is no surprise to me that their loved ones object.
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I understand them being upset about what happened. But I have a hard time understanding why they are upset at the Former Marine.

Shouldn't they be upset at their kids and grand-kids for doing this? (I have been trying to find the criminal records of the two robbers.)

Those young men let society, their families and their communities down. They may have been trying to turn their lives around, but they failed.

What would the families have said if these two had actually managed to shoot someone? (They are just misunderstood young men, they did not mean no harm.)

I hate to hear of anyone being shot, but in this case, the shooter did what had to be done.
 
I understand them being upset about what happened. But I have a hard time understanding why they are upset at the Former Marine.

Shouldn't they be upset at their kids and grand-kids for doing this? (I have been trying to find the criminal records of the two robbers.)

Those young men let society, their families and their communities down. They may have been trying to turn their lives around, but they failed.

What would the families have said if these two had actually managed to shoot someone? (They are just misunderstood young men, they did not mean no harm.)

I hate to hear of anyone being shot, but in this case, the shooter did what had to be done.
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No argument there Buck. Please don't misunderstand. I'm not feeling sorry for them. However I feel it's a universal truth that parents love their kids, so I'm hardly surprised that the parents say what they say in this case. Doesn't make them right, or even rational.

I feel that you think I'm an apologist for the perps. Believe me, I'm not. I am however an observer of the human condition :)
 
Chris, No, I understand your original post and did not think you were putting the robbers before the victims.

I think we both agree, but you are able to say it in a more eloquent way.
 
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