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7.62x54r?
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Older Russian battle-rifle caliber, used in many Eastern European and Soviet weapons, Dragunov, M-44, M91, M39, etc.
Since .308 is similar to 7.62x51, I would put 7.62x54R between .308 and .30-06 in terms of ballistics.
The M44 (20" barrel, bolt action carbine) is _loud_ and cheap to shoot with surplus 7.63x54R.
Since .308 is similar to 7.62x51, I would put 7.62x54R between .308 and .30-06 in terms of ballistics.
The M44 (20" barrel, bolt action carbine) is _loud_ and cheap to shoot with surplus 7.63x54R.
7.62x54 Russian was the cartridge developed in 1891 for use in the Mosin-Nagant M91 bolt-action rifles. Various models of the basic 91 action were used by the Czarist Russia and the Soviet Union and Combloc allies. Some M91's were made during WWI by Reminton, and Winchester to help supply our allies. 7.62 Nato (7.62x51) is a good comparison round, with the russian cartiridge having a slightly longer ( 2.115 vs. 2.015) and slightly larger diameter case. The body of the russian case has more taper, and it is a rimmed case.
Somebody has got to have the info on what the mil. standards for the loads were as far as vel., the best I can give you is some reload info. According to the Hornady book, you can push a 168gr BTHP out of the russian round at 2800 fps but they only give the Nato round 2600. By the way, the data they give for .30-06 with the same bullet is 2900, but when loaded for the M1 Garand they max out at 2700.
bergi
Somebody has got to have the info on what the mil. standards for the loads were as far as vel., the best I can give you is some reload info. According to the Hornady book, you can push a 168gr BTHP out of the russian round at 2800 fps but they only give the Nato round 2600. By the way, the data they give for .30-06 with the same bullet is 2900, but when loaded for the M1 Garand they max out at 2700.
bergi
The boys over on Tuco's Mosin-Nagant forums can tell you anything you want to know about the round: http://www.mosin-nagant.net/
I've always understood that while it's possible to load the .30-06 hotter than the 7.62x54R/7.62x53R (Finn denomination), there has never been a round of .30-06 military ball as hot as the mildest 7.62x54R military ball. Firing it seems to bear this out. There are at least two generations of the Russian/Soviet/Finn cartridge - ask for specifics over at Tuco's.
I've always understood that while it's possible to load the .30-06 hotter than the 7.62x54R/7.62x53R (Finn denomination), there has never been a round of .30-06 military ball as hot as the mildest 7.62x54R military ball. Firing it seems to bear this out. There are at least two generations of the Russian/Soviet/Finn cartridge - ask for specifics over at Tuco's.
Local Big 5 sporting goods /*I think*/ are having a sale on Mosin-Nagant which chamber a 7.62x54r. selling them for $60 that's a inexpensive gun here is Cali. Where guns a becoming scarce. I wanted to know if 7.62x54r is cheap and easy to procure, because I don't have the facilities to reload as of yet.
I asked about the NATO 308, because I have some which purchased when i thought I was gonna get a cheap 308 bolt action. and acquiring of surplus NATO 308 is relatively easy
I asked about the NATO 308, because I have some which purchased when i thought I was gonna get a cheap 308 bolt action. and acquiring of surplus NATO 308 is relatively easy
Yes, Century usually has excellent C/BE ball for about $50 for 440 rounds. It's easy to pick up ball for $20/100 - check out Empire Arms' site (link from Tuco's). Figure it's all corrosive (except the Finn stuff from Lapua, etc.), so you have to be careful to clean properly.
The cheapest I've seen Mosin-Nagants at Big5 was $49.95 for a 91/30 on sale. They have that sale fairly often. The M44s are usually $109, but they drop them to $69 on sale frequently. The one I'd look for (based on condition, if you're just into a shooter) is the 91/59 - these were carbines made by the Sovs from re-conditioned 91/30 WWII-era rifles, and should be in new condition for about $79 on sale.
Beware the Mosin-Nagant, they're like potato chips. Very hard to stop at one. Especially when you can get new-condition antique-receivered Finn model 39s that shoot 2 cm. groups at 100 meters with real ammo, but aren't "firearms" according to BATF.
The cheapest I've seen Mosin-Nagants at Big5 was $49.95 for a 91/30 on sale. They have that sale fairly often. The M44s are usually $109, but they drop them to $69 on sale frequently. The one I'd look for (based on condition, if you're just into a shooter) is the 91/59 - these were carbines made by the Sovs from re-conditioned 91/30 WWII-era rifles, and should be in new condition for about $79 on sale.
Beware the Mosin-Nagant, they're like potato chips. Very hard to stop at one. Especially when you can get new-condition antique-receivered Finn model 39s that shoot 2 cm. groups at 100 meters with real ammo, but aren't "firearms" according to BATF.