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6mm Remington
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Art Eatman
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Out of ignorance, I'll raise the general caveat of twist rate. If the rifle is 1:14, it might not stabilize the 100-grain bullets and attain good groups. If it's a later variety with 1:10, all well and good.
But as I said, I lack familiarity with that rifle.
But as I said, I lack familiarity with that rifle.
@cmdc: I wouldn't let my shirt tail hit my bee-hind before I went down to the local gun shop and bought it. I've never seen a 788 which wasn't an amazing shooter.
I had a .222, 788 which virtually did one hole, three shot groups at 100 yards. My brother-in-law's 788 in .243 win, will easily do three shots within an inch from a cold barrel.
I'd be willing to bet that the 6mm remington, you're looking at, would give jaw dropping performance, also. They won't match a kimber or cooper for looks, but didn't forrest gump say something about "pretty is as pretty does", or something like that?
I had a .222, 788 which virtually did one hole, three shot groups at 100 yards. My brother-in-law's 788 in .243 win, will easily do three shots within an inch from a cold barrel.
I'd be willing to bet that the 6mm remington, you're looking at, would give jaw dropping performance, also. They won't match a kimber or cooper for looks, but didn't forrest gump say something about "pretty is as pretty does", or something like that?
I'm heading out the door as soon as I finish this post. Guess where I'm going.
Seriously though, Mr.Eatman's post has got me wondering. The rifle is roll-marked 6mm Remington. I never thought to inquire about twist rate. Hammie, if you're not wrong, all is well. How would I be able to verify twist rate? Research the serial number?
Seriously though, Mr.Eatman's post has got me wondering. The rifle is roll-marked 6mm Remington. I never thought to inquire about twist rate. Hammie, if you're not wrong, all is well. How would I be able to verify twist rate? Research the serial number?
Tom Matiska
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I believe Hammie is correct on the 244 vs 6mm twist. I wouldn't let twist stop me from buying a nice 244. If 100gr 243's had never been invented the 90's would be killing deer just fine.
Anecdotally, back in the '80s, my former brother-in-law and I used to do a lot of deer hunting. I used a 270Win, and he a 6mm Rem 788, just like the one I'm looking at. One day we were hunting, and spotted a buck about 100yds out. He took the shot and down went the buck like it was struck by lightning, but when we got up to it, there were two dead deer, there was one standing behind the buck that we didn't see. I tagged that one, and I was done for the season without getting to shoot one.
reynolds357
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I guess I am the odd ball, but I just do not like rear locking lugs as the primary locking system.
Jim Watson
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Agree with Hammie. Standard twist for 6mm R is 9" and ample for bullets up to 100 grains or a bit more.
The .244 had a 12" twist. I haven't heard of a FACTORY 14" twist.
A friend has a .243 with aftermarket barrel that might be a 14" twist, certainly no faster than 12". It shoots well with varmint bullets up to 87 grains but no more.
The .244 had a 12" twist. I haven't heard of a FACTORY 14" twist.
A friend has a .243 with aftermarket barrel that might be a 14" twist, certainly no faster than 12". It shoots well with varmint bullets up to 87 grains but no more.
The first couple years of .244 Rem production rifles had the slower (1-12) twist. Remington considered the .244 a varmint cartridge, and built their rifles for that.
Competing against the .243 Win,which was being touted as a dual purpose round (varmints & deer) the .244 didn't do so well. Because the slower twist didn't do well with the deer weight bullets.
Remington changed the twist rate after a couple years production, so you can find .244s with the fast twist, but sales were always slow, the .244 had gotten a reputation. That's why Remington renamed it the 6mm.
All the 6mm rifles I know have the faster (1-9 or 1-10) twist, and stabilize both varmint and deer weight bullets.
personally I dislike the 788 series rifles, to me they are ugly, BUT, every one I have ever heard of or used has been a good shooter. The 788s actually embarrassed Remington, because their "budget" rifle generally shot better than their top of the line 700s, out of the box.
Competing against the .243 Win,which was being touted as a dual purpose round (varmints & deer) the .244 didn't do so well. Because the slower twist didn't do well with the deer weight bullets.
Remington changed the twist rate after a couple years production, so you can find .244s with the fast twist, but sales were always slow, the .244 had gotten a reputation. That's why Remington renamed it the 6mm.
All the 6mm rifles I know have the faster (1-9 or 1-10) twist, and stabilize both varmint and deer weight bullets.
personally I dislike the 788 series rifles, to me they are ugly, BUT, every one I have ever heard of or used has been a good shooter. The 788s actually embarrassed Remington, because their "budget" rifle generally shot better than their top of the line 700s, out of the box.
Jim Watson
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As I understand it, early .244s had a 12 twist. They finally went to 10 like the .243 but the caliber's reputation was spoiled. So they renamed it 6mm and went to a 9 twist to be darned sure it would shoot any bullet then made. I think 6mm Long Range rifles run to 8 twist to handle 107 and 115 gr boattails.
It was all a matter of perception. There was not much a 100 grain .243 would do to a deer that a 90 grain .244 would not match. And if you worried about it, there was always the 95 grain Nosler.
It was all a matter of perception. There was not much a 100 grain .243 would do to a deer that a 90 grain .244 would not match. And if you worried about it, there was always the 95 grain Nosler.
steveNChunter
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If its stamped 6mm rem and is the original barrel it is most definitely a 1:9" twist rate and can stabilize up to 105 gr bullets with ease. The .244 remington version of the cartridge with the 1:12 twist rate was only chambered in the model 722 from 1955-1962 IIRC. The 788 came out in 1967, well after the name change of the cartridge and the faster twist. Had Remington originally given the .244 a 1:9 twist in 1955, .243 win might very well have been the cartridge to fade into obsolescence.
A left hand 788 in 6mm is kind of a rare find, and I'd be willing to bet its a great shooter if the bore is in good shape. The 788 had one of the fastest lock times of any factory built rifle of its time, or ever for that matter, and in many cases they could outshoot the more expensive model 700. $350 is a good price if its in good shape. Not a steal, but well worth it.
I passed up a right handed 788 6mm about a year ago that had a $450 price tag on it. The store owner came down to $400 and I said let me think on it, hoping he would give just a little more. I came back the next day to take him up on the $400 deal, rifle was gone. I'm still kicking myself. The rifle was like new. Don't be the idiot I was. Buy it.
A left hand 788 in 6mm is kind of a rare find, and I'd be willing to bet its a great shooter if the bore is in good shape. The 788 had one of the fastest lock times of any factory built rifle of its time, or ever for that matter, and in many cases they could outshoot the more expensive model 700. $350 is a good price if its in good shape. Not a steal, but well worth it.
I passed up a right handed 788 6mm about a year ago that had a $450 price tag on it. The store owner came down to $400 and I said let me think on it, hoping he would give just a little more. I came back the next day to take him up on the $400 deal, rifle was gone. I'm still kicking myself. The rifle was like new. Don't be the idiot I was. Buy it.
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Thank you, gentlemen. I am going to get that rifle. I'll post some pics when I pick it up.
I don't know if it's true or where I heard/read it, but did hear somewhere that one of the reasons Remington discontinued the 788 series after they came out with the 700 series was because shooters preferred the 788 and weren't buying the 700.
I don't know if it's true or where I heard/read it, but did hear somewhere that one of the reasons Remington discontinued the 788 series after they came out with the 700 series was because shooters preferred the 788 and weren't buying the 700.
steveNChunter
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Yessir that is one good reason Remington had to discontinue the 788. They created competition for their own flagship rifle. If a cheaper rifle shoots as good or better, then why spend more money on the other rifle? That wasn't good for Remington's bottom line, and they don't sell rifles for the fun of it, it's all about the almighty dollar. But not to worry, Remington figured out how to properly build a cheap peice of crap rifle several years later that nobody would ever want over the 700, the model 710.
I see the possibly of the same problem Remmy had with the 700/788 eventually being an issue with the Ruger American/M77 Hawkeye. Especially if the RAR ever gets a better stock.
I see the possibly of the same problem Remmy had with the 700/788 eventually being an issue with the Ruger American/M77 Hawkeye. Especially if the RAR ever gets a better stock.