61% of gun owners voted Bush

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Bartholomew Roberts

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So who the hell are the morons in the other 39%?

Obviously the majority of those did not vote Libertarian or it would have shown up in Browne's numbers.

Goodness, what do you have to do to get through to these people? Clinton/Gore's DoJ is arguing in Federal court that they can take any gun you have and STILL gun owners bleat along with the rest of the herd.

Its a good thing these people weren't Jews in Hitler's Germany. They'd still be trying to join the Nazi party on the train to Auschwitz.

On the bright side, that is a pretty good mobilization of a significant chunk of Americans. If you accept the ATFs low-end estimate of 65 million that means almost 40 million of Bush's popular vote came from gun-owners voting their guns. It's also equal to the kind of mobilization the Unions turned out for Al (at least in terms of percentage) - now if we could just have their kind of clout in the Republican party.

[This message has been edited by Bartholomew Roberts (edited November 08, 2000).]
 
"Goodness, what do you have to do to get through to these people?"

Seriously? Interrupt their TV watching during must-see-TV. They just don't care and never will.

I've said it before, we may have 70-80 million gun owners but we have only a tiny fraction of them that are informed and even give a rats a$$. Most would probably just hand them in. I really believe that.

CMOS

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I think some of that 39% lives in the small town I live in. The whole place is crawling with duck/deer hunters, and when I went to the city hall last night, It was just me and my wife and one other guy. I couldn't believe it! I'm hoping most eveybody just voted earlier in the day, but it is duck season. There were no lines at all! And across the river in St Louis......*!?!
 
Here's the quoted story this stat comes from (from msnbc.com). Very interesting demos. Good news is that we are registering impact. Bad news is that the profile described as for Bush, which pretty much fits ME to a T, is the most vilified group in America by the press, the media, Follywood, and in a lot of cases, both major parties. That is the profile that led the Newt revolution, and now "Newt" is the dirty word that "Liberal" used to be in politics.
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WHO VOTED, AND WHY
NBC’s breakdown of the exit-polling data showed that Gore and Bush both built coalitions of voters from very different blocs.

Black voters comprised Gore’s most enthusiastic supporters — fully 89 percent voted for the vice president. Hispanics, too, also voted overwhelmingly for Gore.

Bush ran most strongly among gun owners and voters who described themselves as religious conservatives, winning 61 percent and 78 percent of those groups respectively. The governor also won small majorities among men (52 percent), white voters (53 percent) and voters who make more than $75,000 a year.
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FCS! How the hell can freedom survive with numbers like that? Numbers like that assure we will continue to see further assaults on the 2nd. The anti-gunners have nothing to lose.

Since when is an inalienable right open to popular vote? Are we some cheap European-type democracy, or are we a republic guided by an objective constitution?

My conclusion is that too many people don't want freedom because it scares them to no end. The level of ignorance in this country is astounding. Yeah, the gun owners of this country won a shaky victory this time (I'm not real sure about GWB's resolve on guns, especially if/when another Luby's/Columbine happens), but they can't afford to relax.
DAL


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Can't we get it through our thick skulls. We are using the wrong terminology. Bill Mahr "politically incorrect" said it the night before last. It is the second amendment and we can change amendments. The hell we can. It is NOT the 2nd. Amendment but Article II of The Bill of Rights which is part of our Constitution. You should remember from kindergarden that there are 10 Articles in the Bill of Rights beyond that they are called amendments. So don't blame everybody else for your own ignorance when you cannot call it by the right name. If this continues we have already lost.
 
The 2nd cannot be overturned short of scrapping the entire Constitution, as doing so would violate the basic tenents of our system of government.

The BOR does not grant our rights, it recognizes rights that we already have. This is clearly stated in the 9th article of the BOR. Our rights exist independent of the Constitution, and therefore cannot be ammended within the confines of our Constitutional processes.

The corollary is that an attempt to rescind recognition of one or more of our basic rights (e.g. a Constitutional ammendment to overturn the 2nd) would violate our basic principles of government, and indicate that our government has in effect rendered our Constitution null and void.

There has been much speculation on this board as to where the line should be drawn between peaceful discourse and, shall we say, stronger measures to protect our rights. Should the above happen, should the BOR be "ammended", that would be about as clear an indication as anything that it's "GO TIME".

It would be up to the armed populace to restore The Republic. It would not be pretty.


"You cannot enslave a free man. The worst you can do is kill him."

-R.A. Heinlein
 
I think all gun owners who didn't vote or voted for Gore should turn in their guns.After all they have put their lives in Gores hands.Email me and I will give you the collection points for your firearms.

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Bob--- Age and deceit will overcome youth and speed.
I'm old and deceitful.
 
When I was trying to snag gun owners to vote at the gun shop yesterday, all had voted for Bush. Except one guy, about 70 or so. He said he's had it sooo good the last 8 years he didn't want to change things.

'Course, he was there because he had bought rifled slugs for his rifled shotgun barrel. Maybe he'll shoot himself in the foot.

Dick
Want to send a message to Bush? Sign the petition at http://www.petitiononline.com/monk/petition.html and forward the link to every gun owner you know.
 
I'LL SEE YOU ALL IN THE ALAMO!!!

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Can't we get it through our thick skulls. We are using the wrong terminology. Bill Mahr "politically incorrect" said it the night before last. It is the second amendment and we can change amendments. The hell we can. It is NOT the 2nd. Amendment but Article II of The Bill of Rights which is part of our Constitution...[/quote]

Uh, actually, I think in this case, Bill Mahr really *is* politically incorrect. There are seven Artices in the body of the Constitution. There are twenty seven Amendments to the Constitution itself, which include the first ten amendments, otherwise known as the Bill of Rights. There are no "Articles" in the Constitution beyond Article Seven, only Amendments. Or, to quote from the copy I have, at least, "Amendments to the Constitution of the United States of America......Amendment II A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

That's it. Article II of the Constitution describes the role of the President. Bill Mahr needs to contact www.constitutioncenter.org and brush up.

Unfortunately, it's not the title of the Amendment that gun-grabber-type people get wrong, they just sort of leave out that little "shall not be infringed part."

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>. So don't blame everybody else for your own ignorance when you cannot call it by the right name. [/quote]
OK, I guess you can just blame Bill Mahr and late-night television. ;)

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I'm surprised that 61% of gun owners voted Bush.

Remember there are "people who own guns" and "gun people". I'm gun people.

MP
 
Anything in the Constitution can be changed, altered, or deleted by amendment (See Article V). An amendment must be passed by 2/3 of both houses of Congress, and ratified by 3/4 of the state legislatures. Article V of the Constitution very clearly states that, except for a couple of little things that could not be changed before 1808, the ONLY thing in the Constitution that cannot be changed is that a state's equal representation in the Senate cannot be taken away without its consent. ANYTHING ELSE can be changed by a legal amendment.
 
I am gun people also and I do not believe
that that many gun owners voted for Bush,
in the industrial states. Here in Michigan
over half of gunowners voted straight
Democrat. That is why Gore won Michigan
and we lost a Republican Senator. I am
ashamed of the people here. We have to get
some TV for gun owners to change the way
they think and vote; to get them to vote
guns first and let other issues go.

Ed Hubel -- Shooting Express TV



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ED HUBEL
 
61% is a sobering number. Kinda shows why out of 65 million gun owners, the NRA only has 4 million members.
 
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