6,947,978: We're watching you.

Cowled_Wolfe

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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46501

"Internet users hoping to protect their privacy by using anti-virus software, Web anonymizers, false identities and disabled cookies on their computer's Web browser have something new to worry about – a patent filed by the National Security Agency (NSA) for technology that will identify the physical location of any Web surfer.

Patent 6,947,978, granted this week, describes a process based on latency, or time lag between computers exchanging data, of "numerous" known locations on the Internet to build a "network latency topology map" for all users. Identifying the physical location of an individual user, reports CNET News.com, could then be accomplished by measuring how long it takes to connect to an unknown computer from numerous known machines, and using the latency response to display location on a map.

The rate at which data travels over the Internet constantly varies due to the amount of traffic, the size of data files, the constant changing of hardware and software by millions of users. Sometimes the system is slow, sometimes it is fast. Because of this variation, knowing how long it takes for a signal to travel to a location and back is not sufficient to identify it's location. But knowing the latency of the entire system at a given moment and the latency for a specific computer provides a means of knowing relative locations, however fast or slow the Internet is operating.

While most users are unaware of it, their computers are able to "ping" website addresses to trace the route their connection took and how much time was required to complete the operation. Likewise other computer users – hackers, for example – can ping their computer as well when connected to the Internet. It is this feature that the NSA's patent seeks to exploit.

The NSA patent does not describe the intended use of the technology by the agency, noting only general uses like measuring the "effectiveness of advertising across geographic regions" or flagging a password that "could be noted or disabled if not used from or near the appropriate location," according to CNET News. But given NSA's status as the nation's premier cryptologic organization, it's unlikely the technology will be used to improve advertising.

NSA is so secret that its acronym has been said to stand for "No Such Agency." According to its website, "the National Security Agency/Central Security Service ... coordinates, directs, and performs highly specialized activities to protect U.S. government information systems and produce foreign signals intelligence information. A high technology organization, NSA is on the frontiers of communications and data processing. It is also one of the most important centers of foreign language analysis and research within the government."

The agency has come under fire in the past for spying on American citizens. In the 1970s, the agency was forced to admit that it had used its eavesdropping equipment against Jane Fonda and other anti-Vietnam War activists. The revelation led to a 1978 law banning spying by the agency on U.S. citizens and resident aliens anywhere.

In 2000, following reports revealing the existence of Echelon, a massive data-mining project that filtered electronic and voice communications around the world, then director of the National Security Agency, Air Force Lt. Gen. Michael Hayden, and his boss, CIA Director George Tenet, assured Congress, "We protect the rights of Americans and their privacy. We do not violate them and we never will."

"If, as we are speaking this afternoon, Osama bin Laden is walking across the peace bridge from Niagara Falls, Ontario, to Niagara Falls, New York, as he gets to the New York side, he is an American person and my agency must respect his rights against unreasonable search and seizure as provided by the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution," Hayden testified.

Post-9-11, if bin Laden goes online, NSA may actually know where he is."

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Thoughts? Comments? Paranoia?

"...noting only general uses like measuring the "effectiveness of advertising across geographic regions"..."

"We protect the rights of Americans and their privacy. We do not violate them and we never will."

Lying through their teeth, methinks.

Wolfe.
 
Yeah of course the would never use it for any intrusions on anyone's privacy. :rolleyes:

Well good luck boys. I'll still be surfing through the proxy that changes addresses on every hop, so you will know for certain that I am in Seoul Korea, I mean, Bejiing China, no wait, Spokane, Washington. :D
 
Invasion of privacy - maybe. I think people in America have a false sense of privacy to begin with in regards to technology. Any communication within my house is private, like a conversation between people in my living room. However, a telephone conversation which is carried electronically outside of my house is not private, nor do I expect privacy. In my mind, anyone can intercept that signal, so I tailor my speech to adjust for that. Cell phones are worse, as anyone really can pick up your conversation, even on a cheap scanner. Finally, computers are another joke. If you are on a wireless system, chances are your neighbor may be on your network or even in your computer. Hackers can get in ANY computer on the internet. It's a fact of life, the only expectation I have of privacy involves personal contact in a private area. Think about this, do you erxpect privacy in the mail? Yes, it is a law that people can not tamper with your mail, but does an envelope occassionally get torn? Can a random person take the mail from your mailbox? So, do you believe it is really safe and private? No, so just treat other electronic forms of communication the same way.

Now that my privacy rant is over, Google and other search engines already map out every website you visit and every post you make. Don't believe it, to a google search on your screen name and see what comes up. Also, read this: http://www.google-watch.org/bigbro.html

If you get to the bottom of the story, #5 is the disturbing point. It says "Matt Cutts, a key Google engineer, used to work for the National Security Agency. Google wants to hire more people with security clearances, so that they can peddle their corporate assets to the spooks in Washington."
 
Now this is just silly!

First, this has been done for a long time. Heck even NOVA had a show a few years ago about somebody using latency techniques to track down a cracker. Isn't that "prior art"? :rolleyes:

Second, the use of pings is easly defeated by even an entry level firewall.

Third, latency analysis can be gotten around by using a descent anonymizer like the TOR network. (The number of "hops" keeps changing, as does the quality of service.)

Nope, I'm not gonna worry about this one.
 
It still won't be able to discover you through proxy, only where the proxy is.

If you want to really be scared read about Echelon and DSC1000 (formerly Carnivore).
 
From the Tor website (which I had never heard of, and still don't quite understand):

A pharmaceutical company could use traffic analysis to monitor when the research wing of a competitor visits its website, and track what pages or products that interest the competitor. IBM hosts a searchable patent index, and it could keep a list of every query your company makes. A stalker could use traffic analysis to learn whether you're in a certain Internet cafe.


Our world is getting way too friggin' complicated. What happened to the old days when rather than trying to "data mine," you just DID WHAT YOU DID, and tried to do it well, and that got you what you got?!

Who the hell asked for the world to be made this friggin' complex?! Does anyone really think that it's BETTER this way??!

-blackmind
 
All this is probably more imprtant for business than it is for us guys who use the computer as recreation. If Uncle Sam wants you he already knows where to find you.
 
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