6.5 grendel AKs

KaNcEr

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Has anyone else heard these rumors about izhmash coming out out with the 6.5 grendel saigas? Or about the russian military adopting 6.5 grendel in their 5th generation AK-12? Ive only heard rumors, does anyone here have any more info or confirmation of this?

On a slightly related note: Wolf now makes 6.5 grendel (dont know when they started, I just found out)

On another related note: Im excited :D
 
On a slightly related note: Wolf now makes 6.5 grendel (dont know when they started, I just found out)

Wolf has had 6.5 Grendel on the market for a year or so. The "news" is Wolf is working on steel case Grendel that should cost about .33 a round.

I have heard the Grendel AK rumors myself.

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It's not a rumor that Izhmash is working on a 6.5 Grendel AK. What we don't know is if it will actually go into production or if we will see it here in the US.

The Russian military isn't very likely to adopt the Grendel. Izhmash is working on the AK purely for the civilian market. Wolf and Izhmash along with Bill Alexander have been working on this project for a while now.

I met with Wolf and Bill Alexander at David Fortier's gathering of gun writers and they were talking about this quite a bit. Here's a video from that event:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwUI-uIl-cw

I think the 6.5 and the AK are a perfect marriage. You'll see it start popping up in other rifles as well as 6.5 now has a SAAMI spec. Alexander Arms is releasing their patent which will allow others to step in and make both guns and ammo for this amazing caliber.
 
Russia is not likely to change.

I highly doubt that the russiand are likely to change to the 6.5 Grendel, even ig all they have to do is rebarrel, change the bolt head, and use different magazines.

The reasoning is purely economic. In a time when every country including russia is broke, to change calibers of weapons is an unnneccisary thing. The 5.45mm in their ak-74's suffers from the same issues as the 5.56 of the m16, but that doesnt mean that it doesnt work.

What russia has to its advantage here is that the Ak-47's in 7.62x39 is plenty effective and is accurate enough within regular combat distances. Hell, I've seen some Ak-47's that could hold 2 MOA. These weapons are still so abondant in Russia that front line units can most likely use them if the Ak-74's aren't up to par.

It's like every time the us military is rumered to be changing calibers or even weapons soon. Special forces get to play with the new toys, but no body else ever sees them. Its simply econmically unfeasable. Although, if anyone in charge of our military's weapon aquierment is reading this, change caliber, not weapon. I'll buy a new barrel and bolt head in a day, I dont have the money to buy a weapon thats worth 2g's for civilians!
 
I think the 6.5 and the AK are a perfect marriage.

Just wondering why such a statement..

To me, the 6.5Grendel is more of a longer range precision cartridge... which would be my opposite thoughts of a AK.

I am all for them making such an AK.. but just curious to your thoughts on why it would be the perfect marriage?
 
an ak in 6.5 is tempting, but I don't know if I would go and trade in my 16" saiga 308 for it. I mean the 308 rocks pretty well as is.
 
David Fortier performed a review of a Kreb's Custom AK (IIRC) in 6.5 Grendel in an issue of Shotgun News a few months ago.

I looked at the Kreb's site and didn't see it listed currently. Perhaps they are still in development on it.
 
What russia has to its advantage here is that the Ak-47's in 7.62x39 is plenty effective and is accurate enough within regular combat distances. Hell, I've seen some Ak-47's that could hold 2 MOA. These weapons are still so abondant in Russia that front line units can most likely use them if the Ak-74's aren't up to par.
From the interviews that I have read or watched with Russian Ex military personnel the 5.45 is well respected and is not considered inferior in any way to the 7.62 x 39 round.
Personally I prefer 5.45 over 7.62 x 39 any day of the week. That is personal preference.
As far as seeing 6.5 grendel AKs go we will have to wait and see. I wouldn't be surprised if they dropped the 6.5 grendel idea due to production setup costs and a small anticipated market for the rifle/ caliber combination.
 
I too tend to agree.. the 7.62x39 is old... out dated.. and not an advantage to newer rounds.

The 5.56 is plently lethal.. and with new designs.. has even been reported to out penetrate a 7.62x51 (.308)

A bad hit is a bad hit.. no matter what the caliber... and it is not the calibers fault the operator had a bad hit.
 
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