$50 dollar bet.

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Hello again. Before you rage on me for taking the stupid bet even though I'm only a week into shooting hear me out.

So I got into a debate about my rifle with a buddy of mine over a couple beers the other day.
He insists that the measures I'm going to are silly with my .22lr, and there may be plenty of truth to that.

So we bet $50 bucks that I could out-shoot him at 100 yards.

Him. Is using some type of semi-auto savage, pretty much just took the scope out of the box, mounted it, and 0'd it in at 25 yards in the dark while shooting standing up, we went shooting the other day and he took out a couple clays pretty easily at 25 yards. Also he took rotc in high school so he knows proper shooting positions. So that's his setup, he figures he can just wing it and destroy me.

My setup.
Rifle = Marlin 918t .22lr

-I took my rifle apart and painted the stock camo with rattle cans, leaves, and sealed it with a non-gloss clear coat.

-I cleaned the barrel with fp10, a copper bristle, and a soft washer, cleaned and oiled the bolt along with it. Watched videos on youtube on how to clean it.

-My scope is a 3x9 40mm tasco with a 30x30 reticle with no mil-dots, I got the objective to mount about 2/10 of an inch off of the barrel with everything else still clearing. Scope height is 1.5 inches exactly. I did have to cut into the objectives lens cover so it'd fit but thats okay.
-I did use a level to mount it.
-I setup eye relief
-I zeroed in the scope at 25 yards (which is equivelant to 50) with a barrel laser at power 4. (figured i'd use power 4 or 8 to calculate holdover easier)

Accessories
-6x9 bi-pod
-Carry strap
-Cheek riser

The distance we'll be shooting at is 100 yards, no slope, I don't know how to account for wind or humidity, Altitude 4500ft, temp 63 degrees, and is inhg = humidity? I am using a ballistics calculator on my phone to measure bullet drop.

We're both using the same cartridge.
Remington Golden Bullet Hollow Point.
-Co-efficiency .106
-Grain 36
-Bullet speed 1280
-vert drop at 100 yards should be approximately 5inches.

Technique
-I have been watching videos on how to position myself and control my breathing. Drawing a line through the trigger, (I will be shooting prone, he said he'd shoot standing up but I highly doubt that's gonna happen if he finds himself off the target).

The problems and questions.
-For some reason, I had to crank the left to right clicks all the way to the left to get my scope to center, I literally have no clicks left. (i know it's a common problem up and down, but couldn't find anything about it to the left.)

-I don't exactly know how to account for holdover, I know the 30x30 stands for 30inches at 100 yards @ power 4, so I figured I'd hold the scope about 1/3 of the way up on the thin lined reticle to account for 5 inches. Also I know the MOA doubles by distance, but does it double if I power from 4 to 8?
 

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You'll need to come up about 6". What are you shooting at/for smallest group? #of hits? Paper, pigeons? If you are prone and he is standing it shouldn't be much of a competition, especially if you have a bipod. Have you shot a 100 yet? You need to get out and find out how/where your hits are at 100 yards.
 
-I took my rifle apart and painted the stock camo with rattle cans, leaves, and sealed it with a non-gloss clear coat.

-I cleaned the barrel with fp10, a copper bristle, and a soft washer, cleaned and oiled the bolt along with it. Watched videos on youtube on how to clean it.

-My scope is a 3x9 40mm tasco with a 30x30 reticle with no mil-dots, I got the objective to mount about 2/10 of an inch off of the barrel with everything else still clearing. Scope height is 1.5 inches exactly. I did have to cut into the objectives lens cover so it'd fit but thats okay.
-I did use a level to mount it.
-I setup eye relief
-I zeroed in the scope at 25 yards (which is equivelant to 50) with a barrel laser at power 4. (figured i'd use power 4 or 8 to calculate holdover easier)

Accessories
-6x9 bi-pod
-Carry strap
-Cheek riser
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Ok, but how does it shoot?
I zeroed in the scope at 25 yards (which is equivelant to 50) with a barrel laser at power 4.
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If I understand this comment properly, then you bore-sighted the rifle which is not the same as actually zeroing it. Bore-sighting will get it on the paper but it is far from being zeroed. You will need to shoot the rifle and determine where the bullets are impacting on the target.
For some reason, I had to crank the left to right clicks all the way to the left to get my scope to center, I literally have no clicks left.
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Something is probably not lined up/square. Could be the barrel, could be the scope mount, could be the scope rings. It might even be the scope.

If he knows where his rifle hits, it's going to be tough to beat him with a rifle that's been laser bore-sighted but not actually zeroed. On the good side, you can forget about trying to figure out how to compensate for humidity, barometric pressure, altitude, worrying about why the scope won't center and all the rest. None of that is going to help much until you know for sure exactly where the rifle puts the bullets at some given distance.
 
Isa said:
My setup.
Rifle = Marlin 918t .22lr

-I took my rifle apart and painted the stock camo with rattle cans, leaves, and sealed it with a non-gloss clear coat.
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That increases accuracy at least 250%. Good start.

-I cleaned the barrel with fp10, a copper bristle, and a soft washer, cleaned and oiled the bolt along with it. Watched videos on youtube on how to clean it.
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Probably unnecessary before ever firing it, but probably won't hurt. What's a "copper bristle"? Do you mean a bronze bore brush?

-My scope is a 3x9 40mm tasco with a 30x30 reticle with no mil-dots, I got the objective to mount about 2/10 of an inch off of the barrel with everything else still clearing. Scope height is 1.5 inches exactly. I did have to cut into the objectives lens cover so it'd fit but thats okay.
-I did use a level to mount it.
-I setup eye relief
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Are you using rimfire mounts in the 3/8" grooves, or individual bases using the drilled and tapped holes in the receiver?

-I zeroed in the scope at 25 yards (which is equivelant to 50) with a barrel laser at power 4. (figured i'd use power 4 or 8 to calculate holdover easier)
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How do you figure that a 25-yard "zero" is equivalent to a 50-yard zero? If you're going to be shooting at 100 yards, shouldn't both of you zero at 100 yards and do it right?

I assume the barrel laser is one on a stem that is inserted into the muzzle, with different size O-rings to adapt for caliber. Did you check the laser for radial run-out before using it? I haven't seen one yet that was straight as it came from the factory. That could account for the left-right adjustment problem.

The distance we'll be shooting at is 100 yards, no slope, I don't know how to account for wind or humidity, Altitude 4500ft, temp 63 degrees, and is inhg = humidity? I am using a ballistics calculator on my phone to measure bullet drop.
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In. Hg is "inches of mercury," which is a measure of barometric pressure.

How do you know the temperature will be exactly 63 degrees on the day you'll be shooting? And what difference does it make -- it'll be the same for both of you.

If your ballistic calculator is any good it should account for wind -- but you'll need to be able to estimate wind direction and velocity. If it's gusty, you're on your own.
 
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+ about 100 for everything said so far...

And you're going to find that the laser bore sight tool will only get you inside the ballpark on accuracy. You will find out that the gun will not shoot to the exact laser point-of-aim.

You need to take the rifle out and sight it in at 100 yards using the type of ammunition you're going to use for your "contest." Otherwise, you're going to get beaten like the proverbial family mule...

Until you prove the rifle's (and your) accuracy at 100 yards using real ammunition - you have NO IDEA how the gun actually shoots.

You need to first sight in the gun from sandbags or a rifle sled. Once you have it sighted in from a fixed position - THEN you can start shooting it hand-held.
 
Whomever's rifle shoots that ammo the worst will be at a disadvantage. Both of you would be better off shooting the ammo shoots most accurate in their rifles with.

As others have said, you need to get your rifle sighted in at 100 first.
 
Something is probably not lined up/square. Could be the barrel, could be the scope mount, could be the scope rings. It might even be the scope.
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I agree, I'd remove the scope, reverse the rings and try again. Tighten both rings as you go, don't tighten one all the way first and then the other. No way you should be out of side to side adjustment at 25 yards unless something is wrong.
 
I have used those laser bore sights before. (Change the O-rings to get it to stay in your barrel.) I was ways off by a lot.

I finally bought a bore sight kit and it would put me so very close to center @100 yards sometimes I would not even adjust the scope further.

But like others said, there is a difference between bore sighting a gun and actually shooting it.

Let us know who won the bet.
 
Assuming this rifle is a bolt action, how about sighting it in the easy way, by removing the bolt and sighting down the barrel.
Then align the scope accordingly.
 
Let’s not over complicate this. I ASSUME you’ve got a challenge, like you’re going to set up five clay pigeons and the one that breaks their pigeons with the fewest shots wins.

It is critically important that you find a way to use some kind of backstop so that you can see where you’re shots are hitting. That way you’ll be able to adjust your shots instead of just guessing where to shoot. If at all possible go out and sight in your scope at 100 yards ahead of time. Shrug. I don’t know if you two would consider that cheating or not but that would make your world MUCH easier.

The windage adjustment on your scope probably means the mounting system is off. Since it is zero’d now that might be something you could put off till after the bet.

You shooting prone and him shooting offhand (that’s a fancy way for saying standing up) I have to like your chances if you get the thing sighted in at 100 yards ahead of time.
 
100 yards is very doable for a .22. The most important things are the scope and the ammo in my opinion. I have run into more than one Tasco that's done what you're describing.

If you are shooting at 100 yards, I would just zero at 100 yards. What will be the goal of the competition? What type of shooting challenges?
 
I'm willing to take a side bet that OP loses.
100 yards with 22lr isn't impossible.
Standing and hitting clay pigeons isn't impossible. If you clustered the clays I could probably put pretty much every shot in the cluster with a sling from the standing position using my 918TS with open sights.

I've actually shot it at 100 yards though. Alot.
I wouldn't expect a laser bore sight that sticks in the barrel to get me anywhere close to the target though. I owned one. I threw it away.
 
Originally posted by johnwilliamson062: I'm willing to take a side bet that OP loses.
100 yards with 22lr isn't impossible.
Standing and hitting clay pigeons isn't impossible. If you clustered the clays I could probably put pretty much every shot in the cluster with a sling from the standing position using my 918TS with open sights.

I've actually shot it at 100 yards though. Alot.
I wouldn't expect a laser bore sight that sticks in the barrel to get me anywhere close to the target though. I owned one. I threw it away.
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The OP tells us in his first sentence he has only been shooting a week. Yet you want to admonish him and belittle him because he came here to ask a few simple questions about shooting. Odds are you'd lose a $50 bet to many folks also, regardless of how much you brag about your own skill. First time shooters with new firearms have a learning curve, we've all been thru it. Thankfully most of us had mentors and friends that answered our questions correctly and intelligently, and didn't try to embarrass us by telling us how superior they were. Your response did nuttin' to answer any of the OP's questions or concerns, nor help him in any way. It was only a futile attempt to display some sort of superiority over him.

I for one.....ain't impressed.
 
If your scope has run out of adjustment I wonder if it might be because your bore sight device was not inserted right and you were chasing the dot with your scope adjustments.

I would make sure everything is set correctly as the other posters have mentioned and then bore sight it again, see if you get the same results.

Then take it to the range with a box or two of ammo and shoot it. I'd bet you will get those scope adjustments almost back to center by the time you're done.
 
Like BerettaProfessor suggested...

I'd practice at 100 yards. Adjust the scope accordingly. Practice a lot. My M-2 Springfield (22 LR) shoots better than I do.
 
$50 bet.

Take your rifle out and run about 50 of the same Rem. Golden bullets as you're going to use. This will condition the barrel to that ammo. With a 25 yrd. zero, you're going to be about dead on at 75 yrds. The bullet will drop about 5-6 inches at 100. Put the cross hairs about 3 inches above the upper edge of a clay pidgeon and you should do all right. I've shot 5 in a row at 200 yrds. with one of my M77/22's several times. My sons and I shoot the broken pieces of clay birds off the 100 yrd. berm all the time. It's do able.:)
 
I won. (:

A lot of you were correct about the laser bore sight not working as accurately as it claims to, but I simply shot about 60 rounds and got it 0'd in at 25 yards. I used ballistics charts to measure out my bullet drop and the geometry/physics all worked out accordingly for the most part. I had 2 shots that were pretty off but other than that I concentrated, took my time, and re-adjusted every shot with my bolt action. I absolutely love my rifle.

I'm not going to lie, some of you had me pretty freaking worried, but it seems like on any forum i go on we have a bunch of debbie downers without any actual advice and a few who have actually been through the motions and become successful. Those type of people are hard to find because... well they're out being successful.

I can't wait to get a .308 and an actual scope.

P.S. we changed it to 75 yards.

Here's a photo of my group, the bet was whoever got the best group in 12 shots on the splash target.

After about my 5th shot he said screw it you won, I think it may have humbled him down a bit, which is good!

My splash target was the one in the center, the buddy who bet me was on the left.
 

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Congratulations on your win!

I'm curious because it's hard to tell from your posts. When you started the thread, had you actually shot the rifle after mounting the scope? The first post made it sound like the only zeroing done had been with a laser bore-sighter.
 
Yeah absolutely, i had been shooting it everyday for the last week. I've probably put 500 rounds through it so far.
 
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