45ACP: stopping power and penetration over-rated?
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I saw the interview with the man and his wife on TV. He pointed out which way he was facing when struck, which gave a general direction from where it came. There was a pretty good sized yard and then a lot of woods. It looked like the shot would have had to be at least a couple of hundred yards away when fired, still I wouldn't want to be hit with a bullet of any caliber, at any range.
The man was seriously lucky or blessed for sure. He said he didn't have any idea where it might have come from, leading me to believe there was no firing range anywhere near his home. Looking at the woods around his yard, I doubt someone was actually in there trying to hit him. They would have had to be right on the edge tokeep from hitting all the brush. I'd guess that it came in over the woods from some distance off.
The man was seriously lucky or blessed for sure. He said he didn't have any idea where it might have come from, leading me to believe there was no firing range anywhere near his home. Looking at the woods around his yard, I doubt someone was actually in there trying to hit him. They would have had to be right on the edge tokeep from hitting all the brush. I'd guess that it came in over the woods from some distance off.A shirt pocket is almost exactly where you would shoot a man to kill him.
If I were the local police,I'd have a real good talk with that 'hunter'.
This guy was mowing the lawn raising alot of noise and scaring away anything that 'hunter' might have been hunting.
I might buy that the guy was shooting at the worst located outdoor range he could have ever set up.
But where that guy got shot,the bullet did'nt travel very far from the pistol.
Unless that hunter was hunting squirrels or birds with a Colt 1911 pistol in a heavily occupied area in which case he need to see the bars and clank hotel.
If I were the local police,I'd have a real good talk with that 'hunter'.
This guy was mowing the lawn raising alot of noise and scaring away anything that 'hunter' might have been hunting.
I might buy that the guy was shooting at the worst located outdoor range he could have ever set up.
But where that guy got shot,the bullet did'nt travel very far from the pistol.
Unless that hunter was hunting squirrels or birds with a Colt 1911 pistol in a heavily occupied area in which case he need to see the bars and clank hotel.
LanceOregon
Moderator
At 600 yards, a typical 230 gr FMJ .45 ACP load would about equal the energy of .22 LR high velocity Hollowpoint round at the muzzle.
At 1000 yards, it would have about 57% of the energy of a .22 LR high velocity Hollowpoint. Due to the much larger caliber, though, the bullet would have a most difficult time penetrating anything, as it was simply moving too slow at that point.
Just look at that bullet in the video. There is not a mark of any kind on it. And look how flimsy that plastic case of the cell phone is. The bullet did not even crack the cell phone. All it did was make a slight dent in the phone.
This bullet was clearly virtually spent. If he had not had the cell phone in the pocket, at worst it would have given him a nasty bruise. Nothing more. There is no way that the bullet would have penetrated, and caused any significant injury, let alone death.
The reporting here is way overblown and hyped.
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At 1000 yards, it would have about 57% of the energy of a .22 LR high velocity Hollowpoint. Due to the much larger caliber, though, the bullet would have a most difficult time penetrating anything, as it was simply moving too slow at that point.
Just look at that bullet in the video. There is not a mark of any kind on it. And look how flimsy that plastic case of the cell phone is. The bullet did not even crack the cell phone. All it did was make a slight dent in the phone.
This bullet was clearly virtually spent. If he had not had the cell phone in the pocket, at worst it would have given him a nasty bruise. Nothing more. There is no way that the bullet would have penetrated, and caused any significant injury, let alone death.
The reporting here is way overblown and hyped.
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LanceOregon
Moderator
This is much more than pure speculation that you are engaging in. Your conclusions here are utter nonsense.
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.45 power/penetration
"Lance" is right, sounds pretty suspicious. Otherwise, the .45, as Ayoub says, is the only round designed for killing people, and has the least problem with over-penetration. That is your almost 1/2" slug out there flying, you don't want it to keep going after it does its job.
"Lance" is right, sounds pretty suspicious. Otherwise, the .45, as Ayoub says, is the only round designed for killing people, and has the least problem with over-penetration. That is your almost 1/2" slug out there flying, you don't want it to keep going after it does its job.
Brian Pfleuger
Moderator Emeritus
Am I missing something?
The article says "45 caliber bullet" not .45acp. I personally can't tell from the picture that it's indisputably .45acp.
It could have been fires from a muzzleloader.
It's makes me laugh that the ad on the page is for "Sprint" and the phone is a Katana which is a Sprint phone (maybe not exclusively anymore). It's like they're saying "One more reason to choose Sprint... We stop bullets!)
The article says "45 caliber bullet" not .45acp. I personally can't tell from the picture that it's indisputably .45acp.
It could have been fires from a muzzleloader.
It's makes me laugh that the ad on the page is for "Sprint" and the phone is a Katana which is a Sprint phone (maybe not exclusively anymore). It's like they're saying "One more reason to choose Sprint... We stop bullets!)
Looking at the bullet that they held up for the TV camera, it looks like an ACP bullet. It would have had to have been the shortest muzzle loader bullet I've ever seen. What ever it was, he's lucky. Even if it couldn't have penetrated very far, it could have taken an eye out
armsmaster270
New member
Or his phone was in the right place at the right time.
I know of no one that uses FMJ in muzzle loaders. they all use lead
I know of no one that uses FMJ in muzzle loaders. they all use lead