.45ACP 200gr 1000fps

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redhawk41

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Good morning TFL

I want to launch 200gr XTP and 200gr plated FP @1000fps from a Glock 21 for woods gun carry against 2-legged and 4-legged critters <300#.

What powders do you suggest for this application?

My short list right now includes:
AA #5

Any other powders i should be considering?

Thanks in advance and have a nice day.
 
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Morning
I've worked up a load for 225gn hornady flex tips to 1000fps in my 5" Springfield 1911. I didnt have any load data to go off of for that particular bullet in that caliber so this is a use at your own risk endeavor. 7gns of unique seated to fit in the magazine with a good crimp. I went slightly above that as well but came back to that because it just hit the 1000fps mark. The flex tips have a fairly long bearing surface so becareful. Dont know what length barrel your glock has so it may make it difficult to reach a certain speed. Another caution to use newer brass and probably not reuse the brass after loading this hot as I've noticed stretching. Again USE AT YOUR OWN RISK OF INJURY AND FIREARM DAMAGE. Hope this helps but becareful.
 
I'd vote against it.
I'm good with launching 185gr Sierra JHP, or Tournament Master at just over 900 fps.
I have more pictures of bears than deer on the game cameras this year. 3 different bears that are closing in on 400 lbs.
 
Hornady's version 10 reloading manual has a max load for the 200 XTP using 9.4g aa#5 for 1000 FPS.

Western lists a +P load pushing a 230g XTP, a better choice IMO, in the new first edition reloading guide using aa#7 @ 960 FPS with 9.6 grains.

Western also lists the 230 XTP with aa#5 @ 909 FPS with 8.1 grains.

I highly recommend either reloading manual.
 
"...200gr XTP and 200gr plated..." XTP's are jacketed bullets. Plated bullets are not jacketed and use cast bullet data. You'd have to work up a load for each.
1000 FPS is a tick above current max loads using Hodgdon powders. Except Longshot and CFE Pistol. MAX loads of those run very slightly faster than 1,000 FPS. So do AA#5 Max loads.
7 grains of Unique with a 230 grain jacketed is above max.
Anyway, a 200 grain cast or jacketed bullet will, um, deter a 2 legged pest, but a PO'd 4 legged beastie, like say Yogi coming from under 100 yards, will require you to be able to recognise the threat, draw, aim and accurately hit his central nervous system in under 6 seconds.
"...for that particular bullet..." You do not require bullet specific data. Any 225/230(close enough) grain jacketed data will be fine.
 
T. O'Heir said:
Plated bullets are not jacketed and use cast bullet data.
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Not all of them. For example, Speer Gold Dot bullet jackets are plated, but they use jacketed bullet data. I think what you said is right for thin or easily deformed or torn plating, but if you use heavier plated bullets they may be OK with jacketed bullet loads. As always, though, the loads need to be worked up while watching for pressure signs, and if I were unsure of a particular plated bullet, I would be checking every test load for metal fouling building up too fast, too.

HS-6 is another powder long used for higher velocity loads in 45 Auto. Hodgdon has it getting 948 fps using a short 200-grain bullet but without going to +P pressure levels. If you go to +P pressures, you should get there.
 
1995 Alliant shows 200 JHP @ 1000 fps with 10.6 Blue Dot.
Work up slowly....

2014 shows Gold Dot 200 gr. 1010 fpps, 10.5 Blue dot

David
 
If you want to hit 1000fps, and know it, get a chronograph. Then test your loads. A load that does 1000fps from a test gun could be doing 1050 or 950fpr from YOUR gun. Or some other variation. Every gun can show a variation from published data, and can be the same, faster or slower. You don't know what your gun is giving you, unless you measure it.

back in the 90s, I had a load for the 200gr Speer "flying ashtray". Clocked 998fps from the 4.25" barrel of my Browning BDA (Sig P220). NO PRESSURE SIGNS. Very snappy recoil. No idea how many rounds it would take before the gun suffered damage, only fired about 100...

That ammo was also fired (one mag) in a friends Colt 1911 pattern pin gun. No chrono data. Cratered primers!! The bigger, heavier gun with its longer barrel and compensator did damp the recoil, compared to the BDA, but every round had a cratered primer, which did NOT happen in my gun.

EVERY gun is potentially different, in small ways, sometimes in bigger ways. What might be safe in one, might not be in another.

I used Unique for that load, won't say how much, but more than 7 and less than 8, :D
 
If you find Vihtavuori loads in bullet company manuals with other powders to compare, OK.
I have never seen a load do what the Vihtavuori company data says it should, they are playing some sort of game with Euro test barrels instead of SAAMI or real guns.
 
HS-6 is another powder long used for higher velocity loads in 45 Auto.
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I have found HS6 to be quite erratic in .45acp unless you venture well into +p territory. Even then I think 23000 psi is still a little on the low side before HS6 behaves.
 
I would say a healthy charge of Unique, but there are probably other powders that would do the same. I've not chronoed any 200grn bullets at that velocity using Unique, but I can get 900fps pretty easily with 6.6grn Unique under a 230grn FMJ.

Personally... and I understand this may not be an option open to you... if I was looking at stopping something 300# with an autoloader, I would be looking at something like the 10mm. 1000fps in the .45 is tapping the rev limiter, where that is just easy breathing with the 10mm.
 
Charlie_98 I think you are right. The 10mm does seem better suited for my intentions and the Glock 20 is the exact same gun as the Glock 21. I will take this suggestion under serious consideration thanks!
 
[QUOTE5Whiskey]I have found HS6 to be quite erratic in .45acp...[/QUOTE]

Try a magnum primer with that old spherical formulation. Also, try seating the bullet out to headspace on the throat instead of the case mouth headspacing on the chamber.
 
Charlie_98 I think you are right. The 10mm does seem better suited for my intentions and the Glock 20 is the exact same gun as the Glock 21. I will take this suggestion under serious consideration thanks!
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...and then there is always the Ruger Redhawk in .41... ;)
 
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