454casull rifle??

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Was wondering do they make a 454casull rifle?
Why i ask is I am thinking of buying one of the taurus or ruger hand guns and would like a rilfe in the same bullet.
 
I've often wondered why Marlin hasn't come out with one, but there may be market problems. If you're going to get a levergun and you want max. power, the .444, .45-70 or .450 Marlin would all be superior to a .454 Casull. If you want a handy carbine, Marlin and Winchester have a bunch of models in .45 Colt, .44 Mag., etc. As a handgun cartridge, the Casull is at the limits of the possible. Yet when moved to the world of leverguns, the Casull fits in an akward zone between rifle cartridges and standard handgun/levergun cartridges. It's less powerful than the big rifle cartridges, but it's got a *lot* more kick and PSI than the typical carbine cartridges. That said, I've heard a lot of people asking for one.
 
Maybe I'd be the only one to buy it, but I'd love to see it chambered in a bolt carbine with an action just long enough for the cartridge,an 18" to 20" barrel. Might even put a forward mounted scout scope on it. Now that they know I want it surely they'll make it right?

Blue Duck
 
I discussed converting a lever-action over to .454 Casull years ago with Jim West (of Wild West Guns Co-Pilot fame). The problem lies with the pressure levels generated with the Casull and the pressure levels that lever actions (Win & Marlin) were designed to handle.

As Jim put it "It can be done. I won't do it. I've heard of some being made. It's a question of how long the gun will last before failing... could be a couple rounds, could be a lot."

If one of the gun manufactuers redesigned/beefed up the action one could be made. Until then I'm (and everyone else) are SOL on a lever action to go with their handguns in .454. :(
 
Just a word of caution--I'm wondering if a single-shot Lone Star in .45 Colt, or any long colt carbine, can withstand 60,000+ PSI over and over again. I wouldn't want to be the one to find out that it couldn't ;-)
 
why not make a srh in a rifle

it would handle it a ruger super redhawk with a long barrel and a stock on it like a rifle.just think you would not have to carry it with the safety on would be great for bears.if they ever get around to outlawing the semi's i think we will see something like that.that's what makes this country great great minds.
 
.454 Rifle

I have asked this question myself, recently. BD, I would also be very happy with a short-barreled bolt gun, though perhaps a bit shorter, for mine.

I would also consider a short double rifle, but (as was pointed out in a recent thread re this subject), the problem of regulating the barrels to same POI make doubles expensive. George Stringer thinks it may be possible to convert a Mosin-Nagant...

I would consider a SRH-based carbine, as well, especially if they found a way to guard against cylinder gap gases burning my support arm!

I just can't see paying over $800 (Browning) for a single-shot, short-range rifle...with a 28" bl.
 
A very competent gunsmith I know is just itching to do a conversion of a .45 Colt Marlin to .454 Casull. He does not seem to think the higher pressure of the .454 would pose a problem in the Marlin action. I am thinking about buying a Marlin and handing it to him for the conversion job. That would be a rockin' little rifle...anybody in the market for one if I test mine and still have all my eyes and fingers after a few hundred rounds? We'd be checking the action for undue wear or stress marks after a test period, and if it's pronounced good and safe, I bet he'd be willing and able to crank out a few of those.
 
I fail to see the logic in some of these rifles.

If a 94 Trapper (or something similar) could withstand the pressure of a .454, it would make a lot of sense. But if you are going up to a heavier rifle like the Marlin or a bolt rifle, why not just use the .45/70, .450 Marlin, etc?
In effect, you are stepping down in power, not up when going to the .454 in suc a rifle.

It seems like a lot of money to spend just to duplicate a light .45/70 load that you can already buy off the shelf.

Or am I missing something?
 
Keith,

Safe is already lined with 45-70, 450 and the like, but nothing in between. Something in .454 Casull would be cool factor only and fill the gap between .44 and .45 and the 45-70/450.

This is purely fantasy though, the Casull cartridge reaches pressures as high as 65000 to over 100000 PSI before exiting the barrel. No modern levergun can handle the initial 65000 PSI hit.

Robert
 
Can't fit a 45-70 in the same size action as the 454:)

I was envisioning a very short action, (just long enough to handle the cartridge). This would leave us with light weight action and a short stroke for fast repeat shots. Build it into a relativly light rifle , 6 pounds or so with an 18 inch barrel, I'd buy one. You just can't due the same thing with a 45-70.

Imagine it as kind of a mini dangerous game or express rifle, I'd think it would be good for hogs, whitetail, black bear, at close to moderate ranges. Of course we could all use remington 30-06's for everthing and be done with it, but whats the fun in that?
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I was thinking more like, a 16.5" bl bolt gun with "scout" scope. I'd carry it for griz defense without hesitation.
 
Well, if you could create a short enough action and you got the bucks, why not? But since I don't know of an action that short, you're talking about building from the ground up... Practicality aside, such a rifle would be very cool, I have to admit!

How about a semi-auto conversion? Somebody was making cannons out of .30 Carbines not long ago - why not convert one to .454? There's also that new .44 mag Deerfield, or even the Mini-14, both of which should be able to withstand the pressures.
 
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